Are these Babe Ruth, Gehrig, Presidential, Monroe, etc...autographs real?

I was looking through some older autograph offerings from a known dealer and I saw a few autographs listed from stars and celebs that have been talked about here. So, It made me wonder, are these items that were sold in the past real?

Here are the scans.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 8, 2011 at 9:03am

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on December 8, 2011 at 11:01am

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on December 8, 2011 at 12:08pm

It looks somewhat similar to the one recently sold by Christie's, complete with the "Cheers" inscription.

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on December 9, 2011 at 11:27am

and that one wasn't real either

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on December 9, 2011 at 4:07pm

It seems kind of odd though, doesn't it? Why did the forger make it appear so unusual, and how did it end up being sold on three separate occasions by a major auction house? Did Christie's accept it a second and third time solely based upon the initial opinion?

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 8, 2011 at 9:04am

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Permalink Reply by Herman Darvick on December 13, 2011 at 9:06am

If the item "has been authenticated by numerous experts in regards to Marilyn Monroe," why aren't they listed by name? If an "expert" does not want his/her name mentioned, I would immediately question the alleged expertise of that person. In my opinion, this photograph was not signed by Marilyn Monroe.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 8, 2011 at 9:04am

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 8, 2011 at 9:06am

I have no idea personally, I just wanted to show these here and see what the opinions of these older offerings are.

there are bunch of other catalogues from the same dealer that are full of similar items.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin on December 8, 2011 at 12:03pm

I don't think the Jim Morrison and Marilyn Monroe are real, but I don't know the others. The Monroe is a very common forgery. It's the most common one you see in the forgery galleries in Vegas, offered by American Royal Arts...the usual suspects.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 8, 2011 at 12:39pm

Wow. O.K. Wonder when they 1st started showing up?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin on December 8, 2011 at 1:09pm

I don't know. We didn't start examining forgery distribution channels until 2007, so I'm late in the game. Roger can tell you more on music forgeries and John Reznikoff on historical and classic entertainment. For sports, Richard Simon would be a good one to ask.