Are these Babe Ruth, Gehrig, Presidential, Monroe, etc...autographs real?

I was looking through some older autograph offerings from a known dealer and I saw a few autographs listed from stars and celebs that have been talked about here. So, It made me wonder, are these items that were sold in the past real?

Here are the scans.

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Permalink Reply by john reznikoff on December 14, 2011 at 2:32pm

I'm kinda worried about the extent of the restoration but think it is a one of a kind item that depicts one of the greatest moments in baseball history!

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Permalink Reply by john reznikoff on December 11, 2011 at 8:53am

By the way. The Presidents item says signed by "Herbert Hoover and Dwight Eisenhower .......by John F. Kennedy. A rare 3 Presidents peice signed by 3 successive Presidents"

To point out the obvious , they are not successive (FDR and Truman in between Hoover and Ike)

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 11, 2011 at 9:15am

Its looking more and more like this seller depends on his buyers to either be all around un-educated or for them to make rash impulsive buys.

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Permalink Reply by Herman Darvick on December 13, 2011 at 9:17am

In my opinion, the signatures of the 31st President Herbert Hoover, 34th President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and 35th President John Kennedy are forgeries.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 14, 2011 at 11:09am

Well, Here is the cover to the catalog and the prices realized for these items. This catalog is from Oct, 2000, NOT the 1990's. Each item shown came from ONE catalog. I have many more as well. In fact, here is an article about the auction that a simple on-line search provided: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_Oct_3/ai_65687590/ . So, the story of these being early mistakes by the dealer are false!

4 Einstein signed E=MCsquared $832

5- Jim Morrison Album $500

9 Marilyn Photo $4100

12 JFK Eisenhower and Hoover $850

31 Ty Cobb $2200

82 Hendrix $500

105 Armstrong $682

229 Ruth Gehrig $12,600

I believe that the Kennedy autograph shown on this cover has been talked about before by various experts.

This is NOT a "gotcha" game. Instead, it is a serious look at many highly priced items that were sold this decade. The chances of these re-entering the market is very high. Hopefully, These discussions will inform and educate buyers and even dealers.

I am confused though, If others can discuss "mistakes" ( either real or fabricated ) that legit dealers and experts made in the 1980's and 1990's, then why can't we discuss items sold before during or after that too? Are there two sets of rules?

Are there any experts that want to weigh in on the Kennedy autograph on the catalog cover? I'm no Kennedy expert. Does it match examples still being sold at Coach's Corner?

So, were these items sold and then refunded? If so, was the same true for any bad items in the other catalogs too?

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on December 15, 2011 at 5:07am

I think some people are confused. This catalog and these items are not from an 18 year old (or older) catalog. They are from Oct, 2000. It was an online auction on Todd's site. As a matter of fact, you can see the original page from that era here: http://web.archive.org/web/200102031525/http://www.toddmuellerautog...

I don't know why there would even be a debate about the date.

Todd has stated (in his own words) that he has been buying and selling autographs since 1978. How is a year 2000 the "early days of his career"?