Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 10, 2012 at 9:37am

Concentration camp material isn't even allowed on eBay as far as I know. I don't think NAZI is period.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 9:57am

Yes and No. This is ebay's Policy Overview verbatem.

Policy overview

We don't allow items that promote or glorify hatred, violence, racial, sexual, or religious intolerance, or promote organizations with such views. We’ll also remove listings that graphically portray graphic violence or victims of violence, unless they have substantial social, artistic, or political value.

We carefully consider all the details before deciding to remove such listings when they're brought to our attention, looking at the entire listing to see if it goes against our guidelines.

Items that contain nudity or adult material are governed under the Adult Only policy. Please review that policy for information on adult items and how they can be listed.

Make sure your listing follows these guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including restrictions of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.

What are the guidelines

Disasters and human tragedies

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) and other hate organizations

Items related to violent felons

Nazi and Nazi-related

Offensive or violent material

Racially or ethnically offensive language, historical items, reprod...

 

This is ebay's nazi related detailed gudielines ( verbatem )

Nazi and Nazi-related

We recognize the historical significance of World War II and that there are many militaria collectors around the world. We allow some related historical items, but ban others, particularly those that amount to Nazi propaganda.

Allowed	Stamps, letters, and envelopes displaying Nazi postmarks Currency issued by the Nazi German government, including military scripts Items that have a swastika that are not related to Nazi Germany (such as good luck charms, Native American blankets, Buddhist sculptures) Replica or novelty stamps or currency of Nazi Germany (must comply with the currency and stamp policies) even if they contain images of swastikas or German leaders
Restricted	These items can't be shipped to Germany, France, or other countries that prohibit Nazi-related materials: Non-propaganda German films made before 1945 Documentary films about Nazis, World War II, or the historical significance of that time period in world history Hollywood-style films with Nazi subject matter Eva Braun’s home movies "Mein Kampf" and Hitler’s Second Book Books with swastikas on the cover (must have been published outside of Germany if published between 1933-1945) "What if?" type books that discuss what would have happened if battles or the war had ended differently Non-propaganda books Models of World War II German military vehicles Action figures in World War II German uniforms Reproductions of World War II German uniforms and equipment that do not have Nazi symbols Jewish identification (armbands, Star of David) Nazi issued documents (passports, travel papers) Anti-Nazi items (such as the Hitler pin cushion) Battlefield, concentration camp, or war victim photos (even if the image contains dead bodies)
Not allowed	These films: - Jud Süß - Der ewige Jude (The Eternal Jew) - Triuph des Willens (Triumph of the Will) - Die Ausschwitzlüge und Ihre Folgen Videofilm (Kritik Verlag) (The Auschwitz Lie and Its Consequences) - Die Folgen der Ausschwitzlüge für Ernst Zündel (Kritik Verlag) (The Consequences of the Auschwitz Lie for Ernst Zundel) - Wochenschau unkommentiert - Triologie - Gestern und heute (1938) - Adolf Hilter Videofilm (Kritik Verlag) - Lüge wo bleibt dein Sieg (Kritik Verlag) - (Lies, where is the victory) - Zeugen wider der Gaskammer (Kritik Verlag) - (Witnesses of the Gas Chamber/Witness against the Gas Chamber) Any film identified as Nazi propaganda Music or films that promote hatred and racial supremacy Books by these Nazi authors: - Alfred Rosenberg - Baldur von Schirach - Hermann Göring (Goering) - Dr. Joseph Goebbels - Hans Zoberlein Holocaust denial books Nazi propaganda books These bands and types of music: - Nazi marching music - Absurd - Skrewdriver - Nordic Thunder - Hilter’s Inferno Songs Any items that were owned by or affiliated with the following Nazi leaders: - Martin Bormann - Joseph Goebbels - Hermann Göring (Goering) - Rudolf Heß (Hess) - Reinhard Heydrich - Heinrich Himmler - Adolf Hitler - Wilhelm Bodewin Johann Gustav Keitel - Alfred Rosenberg - Julius Streicher Propaganda postcards with images of Nazi leaders or pro-Nazi text 1936 Olympic medals Uniforms, uniform components, weapons, or other items that bear the Nazi swastika or SS runes De-Nazi-fied items (items that originally had a swastika or SS runes that have been removed) Listings where images are edited or cropped to try to hide Nazi markings or insignia

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 10, 2012 at 10:19am

I'm confused...are concentration camp uniforms allowed? It looks like they may be...not sure.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 10:30am

I find it interesting that eBay has choosen to be a censor. I remember early on that they made a big deal about not having anything to do with what was sold, authenticity, quality, etc. They claimed to be only a conduit between seller and buyer yet now they have come full circle. While I myself cant fanthom how every jewish person feels about the horrific events of europe in  world war ii I CAN tell you what a survivor has told me in person. Many years ago I sold militaria of all kinds at a flea market. I became good friends with this rabbi that collected holocaust items. We would sit and talk, sometimes for hours ( easy to do at a flea market ) He educated me in many things I hadnt known or was misinformed about. He told me the history and signicants of the number tatooed on his arm. About hidden massages underneath stamps.  How the camps were run and how simply people were choosen to live or die. Listening to him was both an education and a humbling experience. One day a man came by, hell bent on starting trouble. he saw the rabbi standing in front of my table and he loudly started to complain as if to the rabbi and anyone within earshot. " Your a nazi! Your promoting kids to violence and neo nazism!  I should smash these ( A few german medals &  uniform parts)  look at that patch! ( Shows how ignorant he was, he was referring to a US Army 45th Division patch, prior to the 1930s they used a yellow swastika on a red field )  After I gave him a few loud choice words, the rabbi broke in and in a low calm voice only a cleric could muster in such a situation said " Sir, the children of this generation did not experience the holocaust. The schools gloss it over. They read but a few pages in a history book, they have no clue as to the magnitude of those events. By being able to see these things with their own eyes, touch with their own hands, smell with their own noses, they can KNOW it really happened. It Exists. It WILL hit home with them and it would be very very sad if we allowed those events to slip quietly away into history as just a mere fleeting thought. No sir, It is IMPORTANT that things like this be preserved and remain for many generations to come. The man walked away, speechless. Couldn't have said it better if I had a speechwriter.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 10:33am

Hi Steve, I think the uniform may be permitted. The way I read it, while it was supposedly nazi owned ( at one time ) it doesnt have a swastika on it and never did.  With censorship its kind of hard to tell whats going on in the mind of the censor. Either way I think its being misrepresented as original.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 10:35am

i see they ban anything related to violent felons. Guess that means books about 1920's gangsters are taboo.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 10:38am

if you word search "nazi" on eBay you'll get more than 14,000 hits!

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 10, 2012 at 10:45am

I like your story. I wouldn't want to own any of it, and I hate even looking at it. But I think it's fine to deal in it and collect it as long as you're not glorifying it. What happened is something that we can never forget.

Comment by Ole Dog Eared Collector on April 10, 2012 at 10:58am

Steve, I couldnt agree more. Your point is exactly what the rabbi was trying to say. You detest even looking at it. Even though we were too young to have experienced it firsthand the sight of it burns a searing hole in your memory. Shouldnt the generations that follow us remember the holocaust as vividly? When I sold militaria I always tried to respect the feelings of others, I kept anything nazi half covered so it was not fully displayed yet you knew what it was. I fully understood that while the rabbbi was not offended ( and being a survivor he more than anyone had a right to be ) not everyone would feel the same. While I allowed kids to see what I had and I would try to educate them a little on its history I never sold to them or anyone I thought might be a neo-nazi.   

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 10, 2012 at 11:11am

Ole Dog, you said it. And you're doing it right. Alexander Autographs sold the Mengele diaries to a family with a living Holocaust survivor. He got hell for offering it, as you can imagine, and there were Jewish voices on both sides, like what happened at your table.

The diaries are chilling; Mengele was unrepentant to the end. I could barely read a page of it. But being able to see into the mind of the personification of evil is something the world will hopefully learn from.

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