Opinions on my Jeter 1999 frammed & matted Steiner 16x20 #d 489/500?

Comment by Mike T on January 22, 2013 at 8:36am

If it has a Steiner hologram on the actual photo that is signed, it's real.

Comment by Ryan on January 22, 2013 at 8:39am

Post a picture please.

Comment by Mr Zipper on January 22, 2013 at 8:57am

Feel free to post a pic, but Steiner did use un-numbered holograms at one point. I would expect it to be an older style Jeter sig.

Comment by Robert Smith on January 22, 2013 at 9:31am

In response to Mike T (i don't see the button to respond to him directly) how does one know for sure if it is an authentic Steiner holo on the photo?? Has a company every tried to copy a Steiner holo and pass it off as an authentic Steiner holo?? I haven't heard of this but has anyone on here heard of that?

Comment by Mike T on January 22, 2013 at 10:04am

Where there is a will there is a way, I'm sure people have attempted to fake Steiner certs, just as they have PSA and JSA.  Steiner works very hard to ensure their holograms and coas are tamper proof to ensure the authenticity of their collectibles and their name.

The most popular form of "faking" on ebay and such is selling a fake item with a just a steiner coa (either paper or credit card style).  An educated buyer will know the item is not Steiner's if it doesn't have a hologram, but greedy sellers get away with this all the time.  Steiner will replace lost certificates for a fee (over $100 I believe to discourage this practice the best they can) but this is how people get away with it.  I have also seen sellers frame a legitimate Steiner relic piece (a stadium seat back or brick or something) together with a bogus autograph and try to pass the whole piece off as being authenticated by Steiner, whereas the Steiner certificate has nothing to do with the autographed item, but uneducated buyers do not know the difference. 

I have never seen a fake item with a legitimate Steiner hologram on it and I have been dealing closely with Steiner and their items for many years.  Obviously, if the hologram is ripped or has been tampered with, that is a huge red flag regardless of how the seller says it happened.  If the hologram is cleanly applied with no signs of tampering, in the corner of the photo where it should be, 99% of the time you're good to go.  Steiner takes pride in how their items are presented, you won't see crooked holograms or one that looks like it was just slapped on the photo in any location.  If you do, steer clear.

In the interest of education, Steiner started with paper certs and no holograms in the 90s, when forgeries became a real problem they started putting numbered holograms (known as the "old style") on their items and COAs in the early 2000s.  They later moved to their new style holograms and credit card COAs which they use today.  They use MLB to authenticate as many signings as they can, which means the item will have both a Steiner hologram and a MLB numbered hologram that can be looked up online.  They do this so collectors can keep track of the dates of their signings, and for game used items, the date of the game it was used in. If the item is MLB authenticated, it will say so on the COA as well.

As the others have mentioned, if you post a picture we can easily tell you if it is a legitimate Steiner item or not but having this knowledge is good for any collector.  Hope this helps.

Comment by Robert Smith on January 22, 2013 at 10:50am

I have a few Steiner photos that are MLB authenticated as well. When you type in the MLB holo #, it shows up on their site with all the info.. The Steiner COA doesn't say MLB auth. on it (I am referring to the paper Steiner COAs.) I have only seen the MLB auth. reference on the new credit card style COAs...

With regards to those photos with the MLB holograms on them, the MLB holograms have small blotches in them. I can post a pic... The Steiner hologram is right next to it in the button corner of the photo and the MLB hologram number comes up on MLB.com with the correct info... Was just curious about the little blotch thing in the hologram.

Comment by Robert Smith on January 22, 2013 at 10:55am

That mlb hologram is from  2003.

Comment by Robert Smith on January 22, 2013 at 10:56am

I also believe this photo was purchased directly from Steiner... the Steiner hologram lights up as well, as it should.

Comment by Mike T on January 22, 2013 at 11:06am

It's hard to tell from the blurry picture but it looks fine to me.. if you purchased it directly from Steiner you have nothing to worry about.

Keep in mind there is a difference between official MLB licensed holograms and MLB authentication holograms.  MLB puts holograms on all of their official products, everything from shirts to photos to video games.  These holograms simply mean the item is official licensed and does not imply authenticity of any autograph the item might have.  They are typically denoted with a "DB" before the number.

Comment by Robert Smith on January 22, 2013 at 11:10am

Oh yea thanks I know about those... I'm not positive if it was purchased directly from Steiner but I know it has the Steiner COA which has their square hologram on it... then there is a barcode on the back of the COA, (I'm talking about the paper COA).. and there is a Steiner hologram on the photo too which lights up. The MLB hologram doesn't seem to be a tampered-with one... it just has a small blotch thing in the middle... I've seen this before on other MLB auth photos.

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