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Pioneer Auction - Portland(ia) Oregon
they are holding an auction tomorrow (Sunday 5/13/2012) on LIVEAUCTIONEERS.COM.
A number of items are Babe Ruth signed balls, Lou Gehrig signed ball box, Ty Cobb signed ball box and a 1927 Yankee team signed bat (Ruth, Gehrig et al). There are COAs on a couple of the items from ahhhhhh ACE but none on the bat.
I emailed them asking if there was any paperwork on the bat and they said no - so, I asked what happens if it fails PSA/DNA or JSA. Their terse reply was no refunds of any kind.
I wrote back saying that I lived in California and have protection under Civil Code Section 1739.7 regarding autographed items sold in the State and into the State by auctioneers.
Their reply: We have terms and conditions for our sales that we stand behind If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, then please do not bid in our auction.
Looking at their terms and conditions:Reading & Agreeing to Our Terms & Conditions is REQUIRED Before Placing Bids. By Placing a Bid in Our Auction, You Agree that you Have Read, Understood and Agree to all Terms & Conditions and that this is a Legally Binding Contract. All property is sold "AS IS," ALL SALES ARE FINAL - NO Refunds or Credit Card Chargebacks for ANY Reason. Anyone attempting a Chargeback will be Charged a Breach of Contract Fee of $1000.00 OR 50% of their Total, whichever is greater.
Obviously, Pioneer Auctions is a scammer out for the quick buck (like Coachs Corner) but what can you do? I wrote the Attorney General of California (Kamala Harris) about a $100 transaction involving a bad autograph and her reply was for me to take them to court.
Where is the government - you have laws but they won't enforce them. They should be out there soliciting information about these companies and going after them like Operation Bullpen
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Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 12, 2012 at 11:46am
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Most of the vintage sports is comes with ACE COAs...which is a virtual guarantee that it's fake. There was a Babe Ruth ball with a COA from rareandsigned.com, a dealer in the UK just mentioned in another discussion here, and it's obviously fake, too.
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Comment by CJCollector on May 12, 2012 at 12:37pm
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I just just about to do a blog on Pioneer Auction Gallery, but I see you got there first, Mike.
Pioneer Auction Gallery. selling under the Proxibid platform is selling that garbage certed by ACE (Justin Priddy). I will post photos later.
There have listed several forgeries of Gehrig, Ruth, etc., on old baseball boxes.
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How about this horrific Babe Ruth forgery listed by Pioneer Auction Gallery, OR (Oregon).
Geez, another vintage autograph (Babe Ruth) on a baseball box. And authenticated (what a joke) by ACE (Justin Priddy). Under the platform of LiveAuctioneers and Proxibid.
As we know, ACE (Justin Priddy) is on Ebay's "Banned COA" list.
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And this beautiful Ty Cobb signature on a guess what? Yes, another baseball box. Offered to the public by Pioneer Auction Gallery of Oregon; under the platform of Proxibid and Live Auctioneers.
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Comment by Travis Christenberry on May 12, 2012 at 1:43pm
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I guess the scum of the earth will always find a place to sell forgeries. This stuff makes me sick.
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Comment by Richard S. Simon on May 13, 2012 at 5:45am
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90% of this crap will be sold for resale. It will wind up in some Vegas store, mall shop, another online auction, ebay (until it gets pulled), etc.
This end of the hobby is spreading like an oil spill. It seems there is no stopping it.
It is traveling from the orange juice state to Oregon.
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Comment by Fuddjcal on May 13, 2012 at 9:54am
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it can be stopped very easily by refusing to buy another autograph like I have.
When the industry cleans up the oil spill, maybe I'll join in again.
Much like the Dodgers needed to clean up their oil spill before I went back. 4 years away and I have one baby toe back in.
I'm not sure there is enough "boom" to clean up either spill. The forgery faction is so much larger than the actual dealer network it is troubling,
Everyone keep going to the proxibid, always fake at auction, and my favorite Auction ZIP.
If I want a fake handbag, a fake watch or a fake rolex, I know where to go. Maybe I should take up collecting fake Kewpie dolls...they have them too
Kewpie doll
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Comment by mike d. on May 13, 2012 at 6:23pm
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the auction results from todays Pioneer Auctions - 950 for a signed 1927 Ysankees (SIC) team signed bat
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What page are the results on, that link goes to multiple pages.
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Richard - click on any of the links and that will open up the individual items - if you want to view the complete auction listing then click on the link to any of the items and on the left side of the page look for the words PIONEER AUCTIONS in purple. click there and that should open it up
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