Comments - Authenticity Concerns Over Signed "Beatles '65" in Julien's Auctions May 17 Sale - Autograph Live2024-03-28T14:14:38Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=3524372%3ABlogPost%3A555967&xn_auth=noWhat a great conversation. Wh…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2017-10-12:3524372:Comment:11256662017-10-12T16:50:35.669ZRoy Goldberghttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/RoyGoldberg
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777224?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777224?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777179?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777179?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"></img></a> What a great conversation. What do you guys think of…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777224?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777224?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777179?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54777179?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a>What a great conversation. What do you guys think of these?</p> I would hate to say the boys…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-02-15:3524372:Comment:7304032015-02-15T03:44:24.372ZPaulhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/paul332
<p>I would hate to say the boys have stuffed this. Ringo signs the set of the Ed Sulivan show with the round R. What I don't like about this is the way the H in Harrison goes into the A and the same with the star crossing the T also the beatles above paul crossing the t, it all looks the same.</p>
<p>I would hate to say the boys have stuffed this. Ringo signs the set of the Ed Sulivan show with the round R. What I don't like about this is the way the H in Harrison goes into the A and the same with the star crossing the T also the beatles above paul crossing the t, it all looks the same.</p> Who in the world is this famo…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-02-14:3524372:Comment:7302912015-02-14T21:05:29.315ZPaulhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/paul332
<p>Who in the world is this famous forger name JOE that signed Richards Rushtons Beatles album?</p>
<p>This whole Beatles 65 album posted By Steve is a mess because of the letter of provenance. If Frank and Perry are standing by it I don't think any auction house would reject it.</p>
<p>Who in the world is this famous forger name JOE that signed Richards Rushtons Beatles album?</p>
<p>This whole Beatles 65 album posted By Steve is a mess because of the letter of provenance. If Frank and Perry are standing by it I don't think any auction house would reject it.</p> this was done by a famous for…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-06-12:3524372:Comment:5982642014-06-12T14:48:53.743Zroger eppersonhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/rogerepperson
<p>this was done by a famous forger named Joe, I'm refering to Richards's</p>
<p>this was done by a famous forger named Joe, I'm refering to Richards's</p> I just posted to my home page…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-06-12:3524372:Comment:5982622014-06-12T14:45:37.155ZRichard Rushtonhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/RichardRushton
<p>I just posted to my home page photos of my Beatles '65 signed by all four. Please take a look and let me know what you think.</p>
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<p>I just posted to my home page photos of my Beatles '65 signed by all four. Please take a look and let me know what you think.</p>
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<p> </p> In my opinion this is a class…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-06-12:3524372:Comment:5973002014-06-12T04:12:10.887ZAnthony https://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Anthony963
<p>In my opinion this is a classic example of some using those special printers that can apply autographs on various objects like baseballs and other items. I recognize the slight smudging of Paul signature where the signature has been transferred to the album. I have seen other examples of this before and am totally amazed at how real it looks. It appears that the person who did this Beatles album didn't have the knowledge of Beatles autographs to catch the many mistakes. One common thing that…</p>
<p>In my opinion this is a classic example of some using those special printers that can apply autographs on various objects like baseballs and other items. I recognize the slight smudging of Paul signature where the signature has been transferred to the album. I have seen other examples of this before and am totally amazed at how real it looks. It appears that the person who did this Beatles album didn't have the knowledge of Beatles autographs to catch the many mistakes. One common thing that I see here is George Harrisons signature being together on the same line and not the first name on top of the last name. I believe this was kept this way because it is really hard to do it the other way. There is a seller on eBay who does this and sells the items as "fake" or "reproduction" but if you look at them they look totally real!! The printer costs about $5,000 and you can place signatures even on baseballs! It's truly amazing what they can do with it. So you can use "authenticated" autographs and place them on ANY item you want. It appears the mistake the person made here when creating this album isn't that the signatures are NOT "authentic" it's that they placed "authentic" signatures on the WRONG period item. Had these signatures been placed lets say on a Please Please Me LP and had NOT put Beatles above the names then I think that they would have gotten away with it and not drawn so my suspicion. Just my two cents.....</p> You have convinced me Roger.…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-06-11:3524372:Comment:5942482014-06-11T06:46:43.385Zspacemanhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/spaceman
<p>You have convinced me Roger. Personally I do not like the way Beatles has been written above Paul. I believe as the money gets bigger, this issue will get bigger.Too many questions raised on this item. It should be pulled.</p>
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<p>You have convinced me Roger. Personally I do not like the way Beatles has been written above Paul. I believe as the money gets bigger, this issue will get bigger.Too many questions raised on this item. It should be pulled.</p>
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<p>RR Auction from '67</p> Steve, you may not have lost…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-05-23:3524372:Comment:5597702014-05-23T01:42:08.935ZJosh Boardhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/JoshBoard870
<p>Steve, you may not have lost any respect for Frank after this, but...really, getting this wrong is a big, big deal. Not just because of the dollar amounts involved. Not just because of the time frame issue, but...ALL HE DOES ARE BEATLES SIGNATURES!!!!! It's one thing if Roger gets one wrong. I have no beef with that. He owns up to it, he might miss one or two over the years. But if ALL I looked at over the years, were Beatles signatures -- this wouldn't happen. You'd be good enough to spot…</p>
<p>Steve, you may not have lost any respect for Frank after this, but...really, getting this wrong is a big, big deal. Not just because of the dollar amounts involved. Not just because of the time frame issue, but...ALL HE DOES ARE BEATLES SIGNATURES!!!!! It's one thing if Roger gets one wrong. I have no beef with that. He owns up to it, he might miss one or two over the years. But if ALL I looked at over the years, were Beatles signatures -- this wouldn't happen. You'd be good enough to spot all the things...when Paul signed them. When George's sister Louise signed them. Secretarial of any kind, etc.</p> Yep - the first look I had on…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-05-22:3524372:Comment:5594752014-05-22T10:06:43.115ZThorsten Knublauchhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/ThorstenKnublauch
<p>Yep - the first look I had on that album some weeks ago was "something is wrong". As I am not familar with US releases I had to google when it was published and then it was very clear that a 1963 signature was unlikely. I also double checked with my archive of several 1000 Beatles scans. I also had in mind that there was no way to get the Beatles sign that albumin the US before summer 1965. The nearest location to the USA was Bahamas in spring and as Roger correcly said - if you meet them in…</p>
<p>Yep - the first look I had on that album some weeks ago was "something is wrong". As I am not familar with US releases I had to google when it was published and then it was very clear that a 1963 signature was unlikely. I also double checked with my archive of several 1000 Beatles scans. I also had in mind that there was no way to get the Beatles sign that albumin the US before summer 1965. The nearest location to the USA was Bahamas in spring and as Roger correcly said - if you meet them in the UK you wouldn`t take a US pressing with you... I agree with all other arguments as well and another good clue were the scratches.</p>
<p>I had a response from Frank myself about the subject and it seems that a main reason to believe the authenticy was the word from Perry and that Perry knew the owners family and the album for decades. Frankalso said that not all the time the Beatles signed typical for a certain time frame. He is right but all four on one album? As said - nevertheless Frank still is the best in business and one should be happy it is like this. Perhaps it is good that the album remained unsold?</p>