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My opinion about: Sign Here (autographdealer.com)

Hi, I'm Paolo from Italy..I collect autograph since many many..  years ago..., I have seen a forum where the topic was the dealer: "Sign here (autographedealer.com)".., I want to say my opinion...my collections in almost 30 years, has been done face to face from me with many famous players or actors, I have more than 200 signature...and in my "career" I received many times perfect signature done carefully from them.. and others made in a rush quick way, absolutely different from the classic signature of the same person...., for example David Beckham made to me 4 autographs, two perfects and two terrible cause he was coming back at home in the middle of 50 persons..., like him also other players... Ronaldinho made to me 2, but one was just a confuse sign on the picture ah ah! ..so I want to ask:
how an expert can understand if is real or not, if the autograph has been done in a rush way, maybe in the middle of 100 persons, where the actor sign almost without to see the paper, just for to do to many persons?? I think he can't! ..I have seen some COA about a simple "line" of some singer on the picture, without any sense!! every one could do that line!! ..I understand the expert when the autograph is perfect..in that situation the experience is important! ...but how can give a COA if the autograph has been done in a rush way?? ...another example...Marcos Cafù (captain of Brazil two times World Champion) often sign with a normal C (always different...)...how give a COA??
So, for example, I read some opinion about the dealer Sign Here (autographedealer.com) where they say, he has some real autograph and some not.. for me the point is, someone has been done carefully in a relaxed situation and others in a rush way.. just this, cause in his website he has hundred and hundred pics hugged with famous actors and actress..and the autographs are made face to face always! for me this is a guarantee, more than a website where collect many signature bought from other persons, with signature many time too much perfect....., when every person who collect autograph know, how many time the autograph are just a confuse line on the paper and not so similar, if made in a confuse situation.!
Thank you
Paolo

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Permalink Reply by Rich on October 19, 2014 at 3:41pm

I haven't been impressed with what I've seen from Sign Here.  Whether they're a mixed bag or sell straight garbage, I don't know.  I've stumbled across a few items here and there, and they always strike me as bad.  Like this obvious forgery:

Regarding your note about autographs you can't authenticate, I agree.  One thing I try to recommend to people is to avoid bad examples and sloppy autographs altogether, unless you get them yourself for free.  There are some sources that are quite solid and can be trusted for authenticity, regardless of the quality of the signature.   But you do have to consider how difficult it might be to resell later if the signature's "provenance" is based solely on the seller's word.

Permalink Reply by Paolo Grandi on October 19, 2014 at 4:04pm

I think you speak well..but you said like me, is almost impossible make a COA about the rush signature....but "the expert" do that the same....you think is professional?? say to the persons: "trust me, is real!!" when they can't know exactly..? honestly I think also many important website dialer certificated of the u.a.c.c. ..are trustable in the measure the persons want to trust...anyway I think also the many pics together with all that actors, must to have some meaning.., that guy is hugged with so many stars..., for sure he has been with them..., we can't say the same about many dialer who sell autographs bought from other persons..., anyway, for you which are dialer trustable, not only cause are member of u.a.c.c.?

Permalink Reply by Rich on October 19, 2014 at 4:32pm

It depends on what you're looking for.  UACC is somewhat helpful, but not all of the dealers are very good, and there have been some genuinely bad eggs in the mix in the past.

There are some threads on this forum regarding who the most reliable sellers are.  You can always ask for advice on a particular item as well.

Permalink Reply by Paolo Grandi on October 19, 2014 at 8:31pm

thank's, anyway you didn't told me what do you think about the many pics together with all the stars of the guy of Sign here...is not trustable that?

Permalink Reply by Rich on October 19, 2014 at 10:16pm

I don't pay much attention of those types of pics.  They obviously don't mean much in this instances, as the seller is not a 100% in-person collector.  Many forgery sellers use photos of celebrities signing or photos with stars to sell fake items.

Permalink Reply by Paolo Grandi on October 19, 2014 at 10:42pm

I agree if the pics are just about the star who sign the autograph..can be a pic of other situation and persons....but in his almost 500 pics is always him with them, hugged or giving the hand...Is really impressive! ...one two pics can be fake..not 500! :) 

Permalink Reply by Rich on October 19, 2014 at 10:45pm

He's selling a fake Bono, and I've stumbled upon some fake Florence Welch items on Amazon he's selling too.  Dan mentioned that he's seeing some stuff he's not liking either.  Maybe he's a mixed bag, but he's not the 100% authenticity assurance he claims to be.  Maybe most of his stuff is okay and we just happen to be noticing the trash.

Permalink Reply by Paolo Grandi on October 19, 2014 at 11:46pm

In my Country, the only autograph I buy, are of some famous Italian actor of the old times, but I use to buy if made on some postcard or letter where they wrote something, cause in that way I'm able to check also the style when they wrote, the kind and the age of the ink, the kind and the age of the paper, the meaning of the words for to know if right for that person and situation.., the pressure of the line..so, many many things...but I can cause I have many elements for to study....to give a COA about a signature made with a big pen on a picture, also if well done, I think can't be never totally trustable, cause bealive me, with some exercise the great part of the sign can be done perfectly! ..someone not so much cause too complicated, but normally yes.

At the end, the many pics of that guy are the sign he met them, after, if them made to him one autograph and he sell five...no one can know! ah ah ah

Permalink Reply by dexter krieger on October 20, 2014 at 12:16am

I viewed a number of signatures through www.autographdealer.com . IMO, I came across a lot of forgeries, like Jack Nicholson, 30 Seconds To Mars, Coldplay, Garbage w/ Shirley Manson, Katy Perry, Lady GaGa, U2. There's just so many, I wouldn't feel comfortable purchasing anything from that seller.

Permalink Reply by Rich on October 20, 2014 at 12:27am

Saying the Garbage photos are "in-person."  So he's either 1) a liar or 2) the forger.

Permalink Reply by Paolo Grandi on October 20, 2014 at 12:51am

with that I don't remember to have seen pics..anyway, I never bought there, but the point of the topic was to be..someone can help me to trust to some seller if one day I decide to buy in USA some autograph...

Permalink Reply by Robin McKay on November 23, 2014 at 4:19pm

I wasn't impressed by autograph dealer, either. I bought something off autograph dealer or sign here and it was deemed the item I bought, through all of you good people, was a fake, so I never went through them again. 

I don't trust them. Also, I spent a lot of money on a widely believed to be forgery of Michael Jackson, which is the item I bought from autograph dealer. 

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