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Secretarial Autographs: Post Yours Here

Note:  11/3/2011  THREAD RULEs;

1. If You are gonna post a picture in this Thread then PLEASE leave it POSTED.  When there is commentary for it or comparisons & then removed the Thread overall has a problem and many, including me, don't know what the heck someone is/was talking about.  If it's a personally owned one then put a watermark on it if that's a worry.  But DON"T Delete.  I do from time to time copy them just in case but now always" . 11/3/2011

2. If you are posting an item from an "auction" site (ebay etc...) then pls post the actual picture, and then a link to it along with the "auction" or source site.  Links become dated and items disappear for a variety of reasons (12/4/2011)

As one wanders around the WWW on auction sites or blogs it is inevitable that the "secretarials" verbiage will arise.  There are many breakout discussions (see a partial list below that hopefully, I captured the greater majority of threads) and in typical fashion we deviate on many threads (which I have not captured) and throw in a secretarial here & there.

Many times the secretarials focus on the high end selling items as opposed to the mid level ones e.g. The Honeymooners.  Of course, the secretarials differ, at least in verbiage, to the Clubhouse, AutoPen or outright forgeries (there are lots of good threads on) but that is not for this discussion.

But back to the midlevel ones like Roy & Dale Evans,  Barbara Striesand,  Mary Tyler Moore or Tony Curtis to mention a few.   I will add 3 pictures of authentic ones (there may be variations) for the latter three but don't have the secretarials for a side by side (which I like to see as it provides a good visual).  Anyone have some?  So at the risk of biting off too much (if an area takes off, perhaps I can create a breakout thread for it) what are OTHER KNOWN Secretarials and their Authentic ones and why Secretarials? 

 

for reference only;

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/most-forged-signatur...
 
http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/charlton-heston-secr...   Charlton Heston  

 
 
 
 http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/psadna-certified-ite...  psa/dna  Sonny Listion aka Roster masacree
 
 
http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/signature-study-for-... sinatra, Sammy Dave, Gregory Peck & Glen Ford
 
 
 
  
Then we have the unfortunate masacree Vanderhoven Threads;
 
Montgomery Clift;  http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/montgomery-clift-opi...
 
 
 

Tags: fakes, secretarials

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Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on November 18, 2011 at 4:00am

Here are the total of four Tony Curtis secretarials I'm currently aware of. The most common has a variation where it isn't stacked and I've included that example as well. I'm also going to post this on my Tony Curtis thread.

Here's an authentic example.

Permalink Reply by DB on November 18, 2011 at 5:53am

brick, also post the thread and I'll steal it and add it to the top pages as well.

here is an authentic from the 1st page as well;

 

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on December 23, 2011 at 7:55am

Hi, Brick,

Is this Curtis auto authentic?

Thanks,

Pete

 

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/290649218854?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_t...

Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on December 23, 2011 at 12:44pm

Yeah, it looks fine. The connection between Tony and Curtis is a little strange but not out of the ordinary. That's a genuine piece. I've got to say I don't too much care for those cut-outs. That signature cut was from a signed picture. Why would they ruin that? A fairly nice Tony Curtis SP sold on eBay a few days back for $14. There are some deals to be had occasionally.

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on December 23, 2011 at 2:07pm

Thanks a lot, Brick.

Merry Christmas,

Pete

 

Permalink Reply by DB on December 29, 2011 at 1:55pm

Pete, posted for posterity.  Be especially vigilant on Razor Entertainment cuts in the '08-'10 timeframe as although they "claim" to have used either PSA or JSA we have seen in another instance a "secretarial" was "authenticated".

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on December 29, 2011 at 7:25pm

Thanks, DB, Happy New Year!!

Permalink Reply by DB on November 20, 2011 at 4:44pm

interesting twist on "secretarials"  Markus thread on Groucho Marx  http://live.autographmagazine.com/photo/5023674?xg_source=activity

seems Groucho signed his name (in many instances) but his longtime "secretary" acknowledges signing the inscriptions;

 

 

029r4yc06b4rrPermalink Reply by 029r4yc06b4rr on November 20, 2011 at 6:16pm

I also think that this one is probably secretarial too as it doesnt match up to his IP sigs i saw this morning, but that doesnt bother me, i really dont remember sending a request to him anyway, lol. Hope this helps.

Dan Akroyd

Permalink Reply by EjsWurhl on November 20, 2011 at 10:23pm

I dont know if id count this out Chris!  People have natural variation when they sign.  This doesnt look that bad at all. Id ask more people on here in a specific post.

029r4yc06b4rrPermalink Reply by 029r4yc06b4rr on November 21, 2011 at 9:18am

Eli, your probably right. I dont know his signature at all, and all ive heard are rumors from a few others that he uses a sec. I just quickly glanced the other day at a few in person sigs and they didnt seem the same, but he very well could be totally legit. I am completely uneducated when it comes to actorial acutographs, lol.

Chris

Permalink Reply by roger epperson on November 21, 2011 at 10:54am

Here's one that will probably make a few members upset.  Eric Clapton.  These are 2 different signed photos both with a secretarial signature.  Note the shape of the "E" and the loop in the "L".  Sorry to have to do this but I see a lot of these showing up.

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