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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 15, 2013 at 10:02pm

PSA/DNA generally doesn't authenticate music for RR. REAL does (Roger Epperson). Unless it says PSA/DNA, too, Roger was comfortable with it but PSA wasn't. However, RR probably didn't ask PSA.

Permalink Reply by Jay on February 15, 2013 at 10:18pm

Yea it doesn't say RR Real pre certified it says PSA pre certified and PSA was the one that said likely not genuine. Im not knocking PSA cause everything I own is PSA authenticated. Just confused on why they said it was fake the first time.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 15, 2013 at 10:32pm

I don't understand why it wasn't pre certified by Epperson. I thought all their music was, except the names he generally doesn't authenticate, like Nirvana artists. Your question is best asked to RR.

Permalink Reply by Jay on February 15, 2013 at 10:46pm

I sent RR Auction an email regarding lot #700. Thanks Steve for your reply

Permalink Reply by Steve Sipe on February 16, 2013 at 8:29pm

Most likely what happened is that one of their large customers bought it and removed the GA label then submitted it to them and they passed it. This crap happens all the time and coincides with all the other weirdness behind the scenes with these clowns. Since many of you are Kool Aid drinkers of the PSA I am sure this hits home since there is no way that if it had our label it could be good right? You deserve what you are being spoon fed by that organization. Good luck with that marketplace manipulation guys.

Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on February 16, 2013 at 8:31pm

As opposed to your Organisation who pass fake after fake and allow amateurs to flood the market with fakes due you and your lot passing crap day after day. I'd take PSA over GA anyday.

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 16, 2013 at 8:57pm

Steve,

I'm not a kool aid drinker. I really dont favor any authentication companies. Depends on the item on who I trust more. But I do think all of the 3rd party authenticators, PSA, JSA and GA charge money to authenticate items that they really have no business authenticating. No way is anybody an expert in everything. I did post an inquiry to you once where the seller told a story so matter of factly that just by the story he told it is impossible that the signature could be authentic. GA did authenticate it. Here is the link.

Zero chance this signed Tillman ball is authentic. I posted while it was for sell. Went on and sold for $360 too somebody who got ripped off. I saved the picture to. I still think the authentication for this should be yanked just on the owners accidental admission of it.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/steve-sipe-please-lo...

Permalink Reply by Jay on February 16, 2013 at 9:02pm

Sipe your lame all you do is come and bad mouth other members on here. Do yourself a favor and delete your account. : )

Permalink Reply by Jay on February 16, 2013 at 9:04pm

Dan your 100% right!!! I would also pick PSA & JSA OVER GA ANY DAY!!

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 16, 2013 at 9:24pm

Steve,

I appreciate where Jfella is coming from, but please don't delete your account.

Permalink Reply by Steve Sipe on February 16, 2013 at 10:39pm

Jfella,

I simply replied to a very interesting topic that you of all people brought to light about a Tupac item that we certified and then low and behold shows up in the RR auction sans our certificate and now has a pre certified as authentic from PSA. This type of stuff has been going on for over a decade and since you seem like a newbie I am only stating the obvious as to the strange things that happen when money can be made for their clients.

You even said that you did a "Quick Opinion" on the Tupac piece and they stated it was not legit and then later it comes back as genuine in an RR auction? If you have an issue with me then pick up the phone and contact me. BTW, why is your account private now?? Ever since you began your rants against my company you shut your account down as private, do you have something to hide?? If not then pick up the phone and contact me.

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 16, 2013 at 10:50pm

PSA saw enough to give it the thumbs down on a quick opinion but than blessed off on it when they saw it a second time? Was the second look electronic or in person? Pretty interesting.