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Bill Clinton, real or fake?

Hello!

I would really appreciate if someone could help me with this Bill Clinton!

Is it good or bad!

Thanks for helping!

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Permalink Reply by Trond Johansen on July 31, 2013 at 9:42am

I dont know much about his signature, but here is one for sale at RRAuction right now. Some similarities, but more differences I will say. Seen others that looks more like the one you have there, hope somebody with the knowledge chip in Don.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 31, 2013 at 10:39am

I checked the cert number for the PSA that came out to be good. In my personal experience I've seen a lot of books where clinton put down a very sloppy signature. Also a lot of times clinton does not connect his bill to the clinton although he has on some occasions. Usually when he does do a sloppy signature he does connect the bill and clinton. (Example attached) I'd say this is likely to be real.

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Permalink Reply by Trond Johansen on July 31, 2013 at 10:43am

Hi Ryan. I checked it at PSA too, and there where a Clinton there:

Item: Book

Primary Subject: BILL CLINTON

Result/Grade: Authentic

But no picture? Then its quite useless in my opinion, to see the same image there its whats really authenticate it in my opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 31, 2013 at 12:31pm

Yea I know PSA doesn't really guarantee anything but I do like checking because I have seen fake PSA numbers before. Also having no picture didn't really help

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on July 31, 2013 at 11:04am

It looks ok to me. I have seen a high degree of variation on his signature over the years.

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Permalink Reply by Cogo on July 31, 2013 at 11:08am

Thanks Ryan and Chad! My reasons for doubting is that this is offered by a known forger from Norway. He has sold A LOT of fakes that I´m certain that he has made himself and many of those is written with a blue pen like this Clinton...

If you look at this "Grace Kelly" from this forger, it´s written with the exact same pen...

But IF this is a real one (Bill Clinton that is, the Grace Kelly is embarrassing...), thats actually a good thing. Maybe then he can start selling real ones instead of the horrible fakes he has sold before!

Hopefully more members will help out!!!

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on July 31, 2013 at 11:31am

If he sells any forgeries I would not give him a nickel for anything even if I was sure it was real. I don't want to support these people in any way. There are many other totally legit sellers.

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Permalink Reply by Cogo on July 31, 2013 at 11:37am

Just to clarify, I would NEVER buy anything from this scumbag. I just want to know if this is just another fake of his, or if he actually (mayby by mistake...) have a genuine one...

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 31, 2013 at 12:27pm

If he is selling forgeries I would not buy from the seller.

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Permalink Reply by Cogo on July 31, 2013 at 12:34pm

As I said, I´m not interested in buying this!

The only reason for asking is that everything else he has sold has been terrible fakes like the "Grace Kelly" above. So it makes me "a little" curious if he has one good item along all his fakes.

But as I said earlier, I´m still not sure about this one. It seems to be written with the same pen as many of his other fakes...

Anyhow, thanks everyone for helping!!

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on July 31, 2013 at 2:48pm

I think its real. here is my signed copy of the book.

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Permalink Reply by Cogo on July 31, 2013 at 10:10pm

I maybe must stand corrected on this one, but to be honest, I still have a lot of doubts about this one...

The reasons for that are:

1. When comparing the forgers Bill Clinton to yours, I still see much more differences than similarities. But maybe that´s why I´m no expert...

Some similaritys on the one above, I must admit that. But maybe this is the style he has tried to copy...

But the others like nothing like the one discussed. And if you look at these three psa certified from eBay, they are very different too.

So except from the one Ryan posted, I´m having a difficult time to find a single one that looks anything like the one discussed. And to me, that´s a big red flag.

2. When looking thru the fake ones he has sold and still are trying to sell:

http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/annonse?finnkode=39303472

you can see that many of these are written with the same blue thick pen as the Bill Clinton above. That´s another big red flag for me.

But as I said earlier, it´s a good thing if I´m wrong and this one is genuine. That means one less fake out there!!

Thanks once again everyone for helping, and I´m sorry for being so stubborn... :-)