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Led Zeppelin and Queen Autographs. Real or Fake?
These were given to me at a young age because they are my favorite group. I'd love for them to be authentic but PSA/DNA wants your right arm for a certificate so I'm hoping I can get some more knowledge on these. Even if they are a fake. The Queen Certificate of Authenticity is dated 1989 if that matters.
Another part of me wants to know because I only listen to records so if they're fake at least I have two great records to play haha
Thanks for your help in my quest.
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Permalink Reply by Devon Laney on
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Both are bad IMO. I have no doubt the Zeppelin is fake. The Queen I'm about 75% certain is fake. Here is a Zeppelin 1 album signed in person by Page & Plant back in the 90's and by John Paul Jones last week while on tour for comparison.
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Anthony, did you see the pic of my Zep 1 album? If not, send me your email address & I'll send it to you directly.
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Permalink Reply by S. Maxwell on
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@ Devon: There is no way Plant signed this in the 90's (or likey anytime actually). This grand type of autograph only fits his 70's signature. And even then it looks very unusual. The Page is...I don't know... So where did you get these from? The JPJ is not very good, but if you say you got this in person just last week than I guess I can't argue with that. But that Plant is not a common one to compare others to at all. I'm sure Roger would agree. His whole signature is always connected and here there are THREE separate parts. He never lifts the pen. Except to underline or dot afterward of course.
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The page & plant were both signed in the early 90's and obtained in person. Roger had already certified the Page & Plant before I added JPJ the day before Thanksgiving this year. He is now updating the COA to include the JPJ signature. (Original COA from Roger shown below). Both the Page & Plant are textbook examples of each signature from the period they were signed in. I also had JPJ sign a bass guitar when he signed this album. (Photo of the signed bass guitar & JPJ signing it are also shown below). In the picture where JPJ is signing the guitar you can see this exact album sitting on a drum case in the background, having just been signed. The girl in the photo holding the guitar is my wife (also shown in the picture below of JPJ with my wife and myself) These are all unquestionably authentic & excellent examples of each respective signature.
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Sorry, but but that Plant is NOT a text book example of a 90's signature. It's just not. And I don't know anyone who would say it is. You keep saying it was gotten 'in person', but clearly you weren't the one who got it signed, therefore it wasn't 'in person'. Roger authenticating this goes against his very own study on Zep autographs that was done in an issue of the AM print magazine years ago where it shows the various ways his signature changed over the years. And honestly, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, believe it or not, but this is something I know a bit about and as wonderful as that Plant autograph looks dramatically, it just doesn't add up otherwise. I have met Plant several times over the past 20 years and all the signatures I got where relatively the same. And so were all the others I've seen since then. Show Roger my comments. Have him review his own article and explain how this is a 90's Plant signature. I am very curious! For your sake too, since you have added JPJ to this. BOY would that suck if I'm right....
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Well all I know is that this is what Roger does for a living...and if he certifies something it is good in my book. It may be a hobby of yours, and mine, but it is Roger's profession - and his COA beats your (or my) opinion any day in my book (hence the reason your opinion is free, and Roger's is not). I have also met Robert Plant numerous times (see my avatar photo as just one example) and his signature has changed dramatically over the last 30 years. You are entitled to your opinion, but the COA from the most respected music authenticator in the industry is the end of the story for me. In terms of this "going against" Roger's own study - you'll have to ask him directly. He's more than capable of responding and backing up his own COA. I'm confident in this piece.
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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on
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Wow, sounds like someone got a bit bent out of shape over this Led Zep I LP. These signatures are in fact 100% genuine. There are not pen lifts in the Plant signature, it's just the pen pressure. This was signed for someone who did a lot of work with the band over the years and this is just a very well done signature from Robert. In my study I showed the most common signatures not the rare exceptions. I just don't have enough time in my day to do that. I know exactly who got these signed and they are beautiful examples. These were not signed on the Plant Page tour, it was earlier then that.
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Thanks Roger. As I said originally, if the COA comes from you, then I have complete confidence in the signatures. My having JPJ sign the item recently just increased the value and appeal of the album, IMO. My original post was meant as a guide to help show the obvious forgeries the original author had questions about on the In Through The Out Door album. Thanks for clearing this up, Roger. As always, a class guy.
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So in other words I WAS right. It is in fact NOT a typical signature of the time! In fact a very UN common one. Why can't you at least give me credit for the valid points I made instead of both of you making it seem like I'm off my rocker. So it truly was a 'rare exception' to the way he would usually sign 99.9% of the time, which in fact would raise questions from anyone who does know Roberts signature, right? This example is even better than the 70's one below, which is unheard of from Plant in the last 30 years.
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if it was a 70's signature the "b" in Robert would have come below "o" like this, my article was a guide to help out collectors, there are exceptions to the rules in everyone's signature.
He stopped doing that soon after the breakup of the band.
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