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Charlton Heston Secretarial Signature Study
Hi:
At Steve Cyrkin's invitation, I'd like to call your attention to a signature study I've posted on my blog, Charlton Heston signature study by Steve Zarelli.
I believe I have identified the "tell" in Charlton Heston secretarial signatures, and if I am correct, the news is not good for most collectors. It appears that most Heston signed photos are secretarially signed.
Here is a synopsis:
The Theory
Photographs and other memorabilia sent to Mr. Heston's office were signed by a secretary. However, Mr. Heston did authentically sign books through-the-mail.
Real vs. Secretary
In authentic signatures, the R in "Charlton" is distinctly a lowercase "r" and less than half the height of the L. The first four letters are clearly "Char."
In secretarial signatures, the R looks much more like a lowercase "l" and is about the same height as the L. So, the first four letters appear to be "Chall."
I have attached two images to give you a small sampling.
For more details and images, please visit my blog at the link below.
I'd love to hear your feedback and thoughts on this. I fully anticipate some resistance to the theory, because denial is always the first step. In fact, I would love to be proved wrong, because that would mean I wasn't sitting on a bunch of secretary signed photos!
By way of introduction, I have been collecting since the early 90s and I am the UACC Ethics Director.
I look forward to the discussion.
Regards,
Steve Zarelli
Tags: Charlton, Forgery, Heston, Secretary, authenticating, autograph, secretarial
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Permalink Reply by Hitch1010 on
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Mr. Ramseier, I have read IsItReal for years. Good work! I can't imagine dealers in the US turning a blind eye to this study and claiming ignorance.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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When did I say that? Do you mean my suggestion of posting albums of Jackie Gleasons to get opinions?
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>I think it was back in PSA/DNA right or wrong forums.
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Greg, I have DeNiro's I would never authenticate by PSA, JSA or s*** like this, BUT they are genuine anyway ! LOL :-)
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Greg...
Your analysis of the situation is right on.
We are now 1o days into this study, but one of the biggest players in the industry
PSA/DNA , has not responded to repeated requests to explain how they continue to do the following when authenticating Charlton Heston Signatures:
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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on
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Where did you get the PSA/DNA exemplars? Is that a subscription service?
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Yes Steve."
"Compare your next purchase to an authentic autograph! Before you place your next bid, give yourself peace-of-mind by examining autographs for sale side-by-side with PSA/DNA's Real! Autographs online. -
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Permalink Reply by Harry Blaisure on
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Back in 1999 I sent a Ben Hur album to him to be signed and received this back about 3 months later....what do you think of it? It's signed in gold paint pen.
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what's interesting is how TTM photos seem to go one direction (as they would be the more plentiful of items) while books, albums seem to have authentic signatures in many cases. No "dbl L" brand and the Heston part seems clean. Rolf your 2 cents on the latter.
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looks like a genuine signature in my opinion, nice.
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More info about the signing and he has signed in silver as well :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Charlton-Heston-autograph-8x10-photo-Moses-/380...
this 8x10 photo was hand signed by Charlton Heston, in person. You get the COA from Autograph Memorabilia, and we can email you a color jpg of the photo of Heston signing photos. The item is guaranteed authentic for life, That's a money back guarantee. We only sell in person autographs, so we are sure it is genuine. As you can see by the photo of Mr Heston signing in bulk This is a real in person autograph, i see many dealers selling autographs of heston, some may be real , some not. Why take a chance, buy this in person autograph from the only bulk session Heston has done, obviously other people have waited in line at personal appearences and gotten one or a few items signed maybe even got their picture taken with heston , some have mailed in requests that may be real or may be secretarials but according to Mr Heston this is the only bulk session where he signed 1,000 autographs. This is a great price and a great investment, Mr Heston has been seriously ill and not signing, and will never sign again based on his condition, these are a bargain and authenticity is obvious, you can be assured you are getting the real deal as these are from the bulk session.
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while the picture displayed looks fine from what I see - I always wonder about the "real deal" and as Mike A., commented about tis why I always post a "watermark" something across the picture to ensure they don't turn up where they don't belong. Some of these signings spring up faster than wildflowers after a spring rain.
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>I don't think you claimed the 999 right per 1 wrong, that was someone else.
>The thing is, they won't even acknowledge ANYTHING!
I couldn't reply to your comment below directly.
I don't recall saying that, but if you find it let me know. I respect JR immensely, but I think that 99.9% accuracy is far beyond the capabilities of mere mortals. Give an expert 1,000 autographs to authenticate and if they just missed 25 I'd consider them a god.
As for posting mistakes, PSA/DNA has authenticated over 2 million autographs, so I imagine you can find enough mistakes to keep you busy for a long time. But why?
If you want to do that, what would be meaningful is comparing the accuracy of all authenticators: PSA/DNA, JSA, Morales, STAT, REAL, AAU, ACE, PAAS, GAI. That would be a service to fans and collectors.
Let's focus on doing more signature studies, like Zipper has. They increase knowledge and awareness in the hobby, and they're challenging and fascinating.