All Discussions Tagged 'Forgeries' - Autograph Live2024-03-29T13:40:35Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=Forgeries&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks guys, you helped me not get scammed by AutographsAuthentication.comtag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-12-24:3524372:Topic:14232042019-12-24T04:34:58.461ZJaime Rosshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/JaimeRoss
<p>Hey there, so I'm a total noob and beginner when it comes to autographs. I know next to nothing. Before I found this site, I did know nothing. However, I'm a huge music fan in general. There's not many bands I love enough to desire a signature, but one of them is definitely Uriah Heep.</p>
<p>Long story short, I found this bullshit website AutographsAuthentication and saw they had a signed Uriah Heep album from Demons and Wizards. I foolishly purchased it, the very real possibility that it…</p>
<p>Hey there, so I'm a total noob and beginner when it comes to autographs. I know next to nothing. Before I found this site, I did know nothing. However, I'm a huge music fan in general. There's not many bands I love enough to desire a signature, but one of them is definitely Uriah Heep.</p>
<p>Long story short, I found this bullshit website AutographsAuthentication and saw they had a signed Uriah Heep album from Demons and Wizards. I foolishly purchased it, the very real possibility that it was fake not even occurring to me. I didn't think someone would go through the trouble of forging a relatively obscure band. I realize now how naive that sounds. As soon as I received it, I felt something was wrong. The whole item just felt . . . off. So I did some research on peoples' experience with AutographsAuthentication, found this site, and learned that the whole site is a scam. Luckily, I noticed it the day it arrived, so I sent it back immediately. I would be out 270 bucks if it weren't for this forum. I didn't realize at the time how rare David Byron's signature was, let alone with the whole classic lineup as well. </p>
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<p>As a bonus, I found an actual legit signed magazine poster of Uriah Heep's classic lineup, including Byron and Thain, on Roger Epperson's site, who I also found out about thanks to this forum, which I just ordered. So thanks twice! </p>
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<p>Here's a picture of the poster Epperson was selling. It's a bit hard to make out on this crappy photo, but I've seen people absolutely swear by Epperson, even if he's a human who makes mistakes, so I am very comfortable in this purchase. </p>
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<p>(I'm not entirely sure where to put this on the forums, but I chose feedback. Hopefully an administrator can change it if it doesn't fit and I don't get in trouble lol.) </p>
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<p></p> Metallica Item. Real autographs? (Wynnco related stuff)tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-09-04:3524372:Topic:13857872019-09-04T19:10:15.976ZAntonio Solerhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/AntonioSoler
<p>Hi!! Are these real autographs from Metallica guys? The item was bought in a musical convention supposedly from a trusted seller, but being related to Wynnco I have serious doubts. Thanks.</p>
<p>Hi!! Are these real autographs from Metallica guys? The item was bought in a musical convention supposedly from a trusted seller, but being related to Wynnco I have serious doubts. Thanks.</p> Maria Brockway / Forever Legendstag:live.autographmagazine.com,2016-06-17:3524372:Topic:9414912016-06-17T22:49:42.982ZWilliam Harrellhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/WilliamHarrell495
<p><span>Does anyone have any detailed information about Maria Brockway and Forever Legends other than that regarding the FBI's investigation about her and authenticator Christopher Morales (from the Royal Arts scandal) ? I unfortunately, began purchasing autographed albums, posters, and signed movie stills from her in 2004 and have spent a great deal of money on those items. During the Autograph Live sponsored Beatles album census, I had three expensive Beatles albums from her, checked out and…</span></p>
<p><span>Does anyone have any detailed information about Maria Brockway and Forever Legends other than that regarding the FBI's investigation about her and authenticator Christopher Morales (from the Royal Arts scandal) ? I unfortunately, began purchasing autographed albums, posters, and signed movie stills from her in 2004 and have spent a great deal of money on those items. During the Autograph Live sponsored Beatles album census, I had three expensive Beatles albums from her, checked out and they were determined to have been produced by the "notorious Southern California forger". Brockway herself was located south of Los Angeles. Did she ever operate a legitimate business or was she selling forgeries from the start ? Where is she now ?</span></p>
<p><span>Did the FBI bring any charges against her, Bryan Slaven or Morales ?</span></p>
<p><span>Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.</span></p>
<p><span>Billy Harrell</span></p> Forever Legends / Maria Brockwaytag:live.autographmagazine.com,2016-06-16:3524372:Topic:9403732016-06-16T18:33:33.038ZWilliam Harrellhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/WilliamHarrell495
<p>Does anyone have any detailed information about Maria Brockway and Forever Legends other than that regarding the FBI's investigation about her and authenticator Christopher Morales (from the Royal Arts scandal) ? I unfortunately, began purchasing autographed albums, posters, and signed movie stills from her in 2004 and have spent a great deal of money on those items. During the Autograph Live sponsored Beatles album census, I had three expensive Beatles albums from her, checked out and they…</p>
<p>Does anyone have any detailed information about Maria Brockway and Forever Legends other than that regarding the FBI's investigation about her and authenticator Christopher Morales (from the Royal Arts scandal) ? I unfortunately, began purchasing autographed albums, posters, and signed movie stills from her in 2004 and have spent a great deal of money on those items. During the Autograph Live sponsored Beatles album census, I had three expensive Beatles albums from her, checked out and they were determined to have been produced by the "notorious Southern California forger". Brockway herself was located south of Los Angeles. Did she ever operate a legitimate business or was she selling forgeries from the start ? Where is she now ?</p>
<p>Did the FBI bring any charges against her, Bryan Slaven or Morales ?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.</p>
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<p></p> Ebay Seller Gofu2010 Sells 500 Homerun Club Forgeriestag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-12-20:3524372:Topic:8511262015-12-20T23:39:05.067ZCJCollectorhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/ChristopherWilliams
<p><span class="font-size-3">There seems to be no end to the forgeries listed and sold by <strong>Ebay seller Gofsu2010.</strong></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Every three or four days, Ebay seller Gofsu2010 lists the same forgeries over and over again.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">All of them, of course, "authenticated (what a freaking bad joke!!!)" by Stephen Rocchi, John Goraczyk and their Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators (GFA) group.…</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">There seems to be no end to the forgeries listed and sold by <strong>Ebay seller Gofsu2010.</strong></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Every three or four days, Ebay seller Gofsu2010 lists the same forgeries over and over again.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">All of them, of course, "authenticated (what a freaking bad joke!!!)" by Stephen Rocchi, John Goraczyk and their Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators (GFA) group.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">I have lost count of the number of 500 Homerun Club forgeries sold by EBay seller Gofsu2010, but tonight, EBay seller Gofsu2010 sold another one; this one sold for $651.01.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">You have to be a total moron to spend $651.01 on those piece-of-crap forgeries as shown below.</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Home-Run-Club-Signed-Baseball-Mickey-Mantle-Ted-Williams-Aaron-8-GFA-COA-/111854133346?autorefresh=true&nma=true&si=WqmGbWW6y3cg66ujvdW8E0hGW2k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557">http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Home-Run-Club-Signed-Baseball-Mickey-Mantle-Ted-Williams-Aaron-8-GFA-COA-/111854133346?autorefresh=true&nma=true&si=WqmGbWW6y3cg66ujvdW8E0hGW2k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></span></p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110152778?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110152778?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750" class="align-full"/></a></p> Koufax Forgeries--GFA--Just Curioustag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-12-09:3524372:Topic:8463192015-12-09T05:26:33.999Zelgeedubluhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/elgeedublu
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<p>I'm wondering if anyone knows "the story" behind what I perceive as the "GFA Koufax forgeries." At least to my eye, these stick out like a sore thumb when browsing eBay....the shape of the "S" is always too angular, the "x" is always wrong, and the signatures all look stilted and exactly the same. Were they done by a machine, or just someone who was very consistent? I also see the same "style" on signatures authenticated by a "Chris Morales." Are they related to GFA? I'm…</p>
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<p>I'm wondering if anyone knows "the story" behind what I perceive as the "GFA Koufax forgeries." At least to my eye, these stick out like a sore thumb when browsing eBay....the shape of the "S" is always too angular, the "x" is always wrong, and the signatures all look stilted and exactly the same. Were they done by a machine, or just someone who was very consistent? I also see the same "style" on signatures authenticated by a "Chris Morales." Are they related to GFA? I'm seeing more and more of them, so I was just curious what the story is, and if they are still being produced, or is it just a coincidence that a lot of them are currently on the market.....thanks.</p> Mickey Mantle signed baseball No. 7 Real or Fake?tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-10-17:3524372:Topic:8265482015-10-17T15:38:26.074ZCharles Angelinohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/CharlesAngelino
<p>Good afternoon everyone. I was hoping to get your feedback on whether or not this signed Mickey Mantle ball could be a forgery. I received it as a present years ago. It is signed on a 1994 World Series baseball (1 year prior to Mickey mantle's death). I have attached pictures including the 2 COAs I received with it. I appreciate any feedback/opinions you could provide-Thanks,</p>
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<p>Good afternoon everyone. I was hoping to get your feedback on whether or not this signed Mickey Mantle ball could be a forgery. I received it as a present years ago. It is signed on a 1994 World Series baseball (1 year prior to Mickey mantle's death). I have attached pictures including the 2 COAs I received with it. I appreciate any feedback/opinions you could provide-Thanks,</p>
<p>Charles</p> Ebay Seller Jtuya Mickey Mantle Forgery Autographed Photo 500 Homerun Club Forgeries COA Guaranteed Forensic Authenticatorstag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-04-19:3524372:Topic:7600532015-04-19T17:58:46.681ZCJCollectorhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/ChristopherWilliams
<p><span class="font-size-3">Here's another set of Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays and Duke Snider forgeries on a photograph found on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">This set of Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays and Duke Snider forgeries on a photograph is listed by <strong>Ebay seller Jtuya.</strong></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3"><strong>Ebay seller Jtuya</strong> is also selling a set of "500 Homerun Club" forgeries with a worthless COA from Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators…</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Here's another set of Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays and Duke Snider forgeries on a photograph found on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">This set of Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays and Duke Snider forgeries on a photograph is listed by <strong>Ebay seller Jtuya.</strong></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3"><strong>Ebay seller Jtuya</strong> is also selling a set of "500 Homerun Club" forgeries with a worthless COA from Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators headed by Steve Rocchi.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">These are obvious and common forgeries sold by people who either have ZERO knowledge of autographs, or, they are well aware they are selling forgeries.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">John House, CEO of AtAuction has been selling these forgeries for over five years, even though if you go to the AtAuction website it reads "These limited productions."</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">John House has been selling these forgeries (thousands of them) for over five years and yet he claims they are "Limited Productions."</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Certified-Mickey-Mantle-Willie-Mays-Duke-Snider-LTD-Autographed-Showcase-/251919768906?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa7969d4a">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Certified-Mickey-Mantle-Willie-Mays-Duke-Snider-LTD-Autographed-Showcase-/251919768906?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa7969d4a</a></span></p>
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<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110110993?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110110993?profile=original" width="664"/></a></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">Here are the same forgeries sold by John House, CEO of AtAuction.</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a href="http://atauction.com/iSynApp/Autographs-auctions/Certified-Mickey-Mantle-Willie-Mays-and-Duke-Snider-LTD-Autographed-Custom-Matted-Showcase-auctions/1364086">http://atauction.com/iSynApp/Autographs-auctions/Certified-Mickey-Mantle-Willie-Mays-and-Duke-Snider-LTD-Autographed-Custom-Matted-Showcase-auctions/1364086</a></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111009?profile=original"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111009?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111065?profile=original"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111065?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">Here are the set of "500 Homerun Club" forgeries listed by <strong>Ebay seller Jtuya.</strong></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Home-Run-Club-LTD-Premium-Quality-Centerpiece-/231533297749?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e875c055">http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-Home-Run-Club-LTD-Premium-Quality-Centerpiece-/231533297749?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e875c055</a></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110110990?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110110990?profile=original" width="690"/></a></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3"><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111029?profile=original"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110111029?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a></span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">Here's the same set of "500 Homerun Club" forgeries sold by John House, CEO of AtAuction.</span></p>
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<p></p> Ebay Seller Zaron423 Derek Jeter Nomar Garciaparra Autograph Card UGLY Forgeries 1998 Topps Stadium Clubtag:live.autographmagazine.com,2015-01-17:3524372:Topic:7153952015-01-17T02:08:39.763ZCJCollectorhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/ChristopherWilliams
<p><span class="font-size-3">This is why sellers of forgeries list their crap on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Check out the below Derek Jeter/Nomar Garciaparra forgeries on a card listed by Ebay seller Zaron423.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">As of this writing, the Ebay suckers and wannabe autograph collectors are already bidding on these piece-of-crap Derek Jeter and Nomar Garciaparra forgeries listed by Ebay seller Zaron423.…</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">This is why sellers of forgeries list their crap on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Check out the below Derek Jeter/Nomar Garciaparra forgeries on a card listed by Ebay seller Zaron423.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">As of this writing, the Ebay suckers and wannabe autograph collectors are already bidding on these piece-of-crap Derek Jeter and Nomar Garciaparra forgeries listed by Ebay seller Zaron423.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Back in 1998 "Topps Stadium Club" produced a few Dual-Signer autographs of Jeter/Rolen, Jeter/Rodriguez, etc.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">The cards all have the "Certified Autograph Issue" stamp on them.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">The below card that contains the Jeter/Garciaparra forgeries do not have the "Certified Autograph Issue" on it.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Another fact, is that many of the "Certified Autograph Issue" un-signed masters found their way out of "Topps."</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">These are just ridiculous Jeter/Garciaparra forgeries listed by Ebay seller Zaron423.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">If you read the seller's auction, they misspelled "Garciapara (corrrect spelling is <em>Garciaparra</em>) and "Dule (should be <em>Dual</em>)."</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3"><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Derek-Jeter-Nomar-Garciapara-1998-topps-stadium-dule-autograph-very-rare-card-/281564811165?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Derek-Jeter-Nomar-Garciapara-1998-topps-stadium-dule-autograph-very-rare-card-/281564811165?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123</a></span></p>
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<p></p> Ebay Seller Alo20910 500 Homerun Club Mickey Mantle Autographed Baseball UGLY Forgery COA Dugout22 Sold For $674.99tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2014-09-27:3524372:Topic:6525452014-09-27T01:33:58.167ZCJCollectorhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/ChristopherWilliams
<p><span class="font-size-3">Here's another set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries (Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, etc) on a baseball that was listed and sold on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">The below ugly <span class="font-size-3">set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries (Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, etc) on a baseball</span> was listed and sold by <strong>Ebay seller Alo20910</strong> for $674.00</span></p>
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<p><span class="font-size-3">Here's another set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries (Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, etc) on a baseball that was listed and sold on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">The below ugly <span class="font-size-3">set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries (Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, etc) on a baseball</span> was listed and sold by <strong>Ebay seller Alo20910</strong> for $674.00</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">An Ebay wannabe autograph collector and sucker wasted $674.99 on this piece-of-crap 500 Homerun Club set of forgeries.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">This is why sellers of forgeries list their crap on Ebay; they know the suckers and wannabe autograph collectors will purchase their forgeries.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">All of this as Ebay continues, as it has for the past twenty years, to PROFIT big-time from the sales of forgeries.</span></p>
<p><strong><span class="font-size-3">The worthless COA is from Dugout22<em>.</em></span></strong></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">I have yet to see an authentic autograph with a <em><strong>COA from Dugout22.</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">While this piece-of-crap <span class="font-size-3"><span class="font-size-3">set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries</span></span> was sold by <strong>Ebay seller Alo20910 f</strong>or $674.99, there are numerous 500 Homerun Club authentic set of autographs that remain unsold.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">The scammers continue to undercut sellers of authentic autographs on Ebay.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">This is one of the reasons why I will continue to expose sellers of forgeries; this crap devalues the collections of true autograph collectors.</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-3">Here is that piece-of-crap <span class="font-size-3"><span class="font-size-3">set of 500 Homerun Club forgeries</span></span> on a baseball sold by <strong>Ebay seller Alo20910</strong> for $674.99.</span></p>
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