Babe Ruth Lou Gehrig Autographs - Autograph Live2024-03-28T17:28:38Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/babe-ruth-lou-gehrig-autographs?commentId=3524372%3AComment%3A1266649&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCat, which kink of the 'e'? T…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12674052018-10-11T20:40:45.869ZWoody2Shoeshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Woody2Shoes
<p>Cat, which kink of the 'e'? That's the third time I've heard mention of the "kink" in the 'e' as being off. Which part of the 'e' are you referring to? The top, the middle, or the bottom/final upstroke?</p>
<p>Cat, which kink of the 'e'? That's the third time I've heard mention of the "kink" in the 'e' as being off. Which part of the 'e' are you referring to? The top, the middle, or the bottom/final upstroke?</p> In comparing these 2 (hospita…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673742018-10-11T12:24:02.732Zgoodcathttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/goodcat53
<p>In comparing these 2 (hospital vs letter), I see big differences</p>
<p>The spacing </p>
<p>overall baseline</p>
<p>angle of the "e"</p>
<p>kink in the "e"</p>
<p>angle and structure of the "R"</p>
<p>overall it does not feel right and looks awkward. I just don't see them as "samey"</p>
<p>This is my observation only based on the ink and my very limited study of Ruth sigs.</p>
<p>Now take the COA and the price of $300 and I like it even less<br></br><br></br><br></br></p>
<p>If David has access to buy…</p>
<p>In comparing these 2 (hospital vs letter), I see big differences</p>
<p>The spacing </p>
<p>overall baseline</p>
<p>angle of the "e"</p>
<p>kink in the "e"</p>
<p>angle and structure of the "R"</p>
<p>overall it does not feel right and looks awkward. I just don't see them as "samey"</p>
<p>This is my observation only based on the ink and my very limited study of Ruth sigs.</p>
<p>Now take the COA and the price of $300 and I like it even less<br/><br/><br/></p>
<p>If David has access to buy this, I'd be sending this out to as many TPA's ASAP and get some answers ASAP. If this is real, it's a great score, but I would be pressing the issue of asking anyone and everyone first.</p>
<p></p> Woody,
You provided a lot of…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12674782018-10-11T11:55:06.846ZSteve Cyrkin, Adminhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/SteveCyrkin
<p>Woody,</p>
<p>You provided a lot of information that I didn’t know about. I’m not experienced enough to participate much in discussion on Babe Ruth. If you'd like to discuss his autograph and things you've observed that would be great. </p>
<p>Woody,</p>
<p>You provided a lot of information that I didn’t know about. I’m not experienced enough to participate much in discussion on Babe Ruth. If you'd like to discuss his autograph and things you've observed that would be great. </p> Woody,
Terrier didn't block y…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673702018-10-11T11:25:36.160ZSteve Cyrkin, Adminhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/SteveCyrkin
<p>Woody,</p>
<p>Terrier didn't block you. Nested replies only go a few levels deep before you can't reply anymore. The new platform won't have that issue. </p>
<p>In cases like these I often just start at the top.</p>
<p>Woody,</p>
<p>Terrier didn't block you. Nested replies only go a few levels deep before you can't reply anymore. The new platform won't have that issue. </p>
<p>In cases like these I often just start at the top.</p> Thanks for the advice, Steve tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673222018-10-11T10:41:26.036ZDavid Alperthttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/DavidAlpert
<p>Thanks for the advice, Steve </p>
<p>Thanks for the advice, Steve </p> Steve, look at the baseline o…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673672018-10-11T06:17:12.855ZWoody2Shoeshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Woody2Shoes
<p>Steve, look at the baseline of the "Ruth" on this one. As well as the wide spaced curl of the e to R transition. And the th composition. The baseline suddenly bottoming out isn't uncommon during his last 5 years.</p>
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<p>Steve, look at the baseline of the "Ruth" on this one. As well as the wide spaced curl of the e to R transition. And the th composition. The baseline suddenly bottoming out isn't uncommon during his last 5 years.</p>
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<p>1944. What you've noted are often standard features of his 1944 through 1948 signatures. Every one of these features sometimes appears in the signatures of his final 5 years.</p>
<p>1) I see the parts of the track that are lighter and those that are darker, dictated by Ruth's typically varied pressure dependent upon the pen traveling up or down, or back tracking the line, as to be expected, and common to mostly all his signatures of every era.</p>
<p>2) I see no signs of slower or faster…</p>
<p>1944. What you've noted are often standard features of his 1944 through 1948 signatures. Every one of these features sometimes appears in the signatures of his final 5 years.</p>
<p>1) I see the parts of the track that are lighter and those that are darker, dictated by Ruth's typically varied pressure dependent upon the pen traveling up or down, or back tracking the line, as to be expected, and common to mostly all his signatures of every era.</p>
<p>2) I see no signs of slower or faster than normal, no shake, no points of hesitation, all fluid.</p>
<p>3) This varies.</p>
<p>4) th, again, varies in his later life, as does</p>
<p>5) the baseline, again, the baseline here no further off than dozens of PSA/JSA authenticated and signed official document exemplars from over the last 5 years of Ruth's life.</p>
<p>What I also see is feathering of the ink into semi-porous paper that would be expected if signed in the 40s, accompanied by areas of the track that faded as expected, the areas where Ruth's pressure is lighter in most of his signatures.</p>
<p>I haven't seen that as of yet on any known forgeries I've examined </p>
<p>Terrier wrote:</p>
<p>"I agree with Steve. Also the e does not correctly transition to the R as it does in authentic versions. And the shape of the R is strange. As is the curl in the e."</p>
<p> I can't reply to him directly because the reply feature is missing. Maybe he's blocked me?</p>
<p>The R is similar in shape to many signed documents and JSA/PSA authenticated signatures of this era, and again, the size and shape of the head varies.</p>
<p>I've got examples of JSA/PSA/et. authenticate Ruths, and checks where the head and curl of the 'e' is almost identical.</p>
<p>The shape of the e to R transition dictated by his spacing between the first and last name, which is sometimes wide, sometimes, and usually more commonly narrow.</p> I agree with Steve. Also the…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673642018-10-11T03:09:06.102Zterrier8HOFhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/terrier8HOF
<p>I agree with Steve. Also the e does not correctly transition to the R as it does in authentic versions. And the shape of the R is strange. As is the curl in the e. </p>
<p>I agree with Steve. Also the e does not correctly transition to the R as it does in authentic versions. And the shape of the R is strange. As is the curl in the e. </p> Thank you for the info Rick.…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12673092018-10-11T02:19:55.425ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Thank you for the info Rick. I am thinking of these things a lot lately, and also with regard to vintage stage/screen/stage/rock stage.</p>
<p>Thank you for the info Rick. I am thinking of these things a lot lately, and also with regard to vintage stage/screen/stage/rock stage.</p> Study some old Mark Hoffman f…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-10-11:3524372:Comment:12672452018-10-11T01:38:27.821ZRick Meyerhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/RickMeyer
<p>Study some old Mark Hoffman forgeries. He was a master at making his own ink and while using era aged blank paper from old books he also had ways of aging ink and paper that fooled all the experts of the time.</p>
<p>The forgers out there today make him look like an amateur. They getting better everyday.</p>
<p>i won’t discuss what I think is wrong with it but the signature speaks for itself. Look at a few good Ruth’s for a few hours. Then come back and look at this one:The Frangipani COA…</p>
<p>Study some old Mark Hoffman forgeries. He was a master at making his own ink and while using era aged blank paper from old books he also had ways of aging ink and paper that fooled all the experts of the time.</p>
<p>The forgers out there today make him look like an amateur. They getting better everyday.</p>
<p>i won’t discuss what I think is wrong with it but the signature speaks for itself. Look at a few good Ruth’s for a few hours. Then come back and look at this one:The Frangipani COA just confirms it’s bad.</p>