Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
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I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
firstname.lastname@example.org - Others have tried email@example.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
275 South Beverly Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Bob Dylan's Facebook
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
It was a joke, hence the "lol"... but either way more than likely a fact that they wouldn't send out signed COA's, and on top of that why would anyone trust their word that they're hand signed by Dylan if they did?
A1. I assume this is a joke?
After this whole scandal I would assume anything he has allegedly signed is Fake / autopenned or secretarial - unless proven genuine by Dylan In person himself ! As found out he's a fraudster and cannot be trusted.
I was looking to buy an art print recently, and won't be now, the only way I (and probably anybody else) would after all of this, would be at an in person signing - which will never happen, or if there was video evidence of him signing the actual item - which will never happen either.
Dear 5816nick, I think you are right. Dylan would never have admitted his fraud had it not been found out by crowdsourcing. I'm sure he was surprised to be caught. His use of deception, the use of 17 different autopen signatures is sure evidence of "intent". Someone has to act on this. Once a liar, always a liar. In law the judge advises that if a witness is found to lie in any instance, the jury can consider that everything is a lie. I would not put anything past him, including that his "artwork" is not really by him, and the whole thing is a scam.
Yes, and when i say you can't trust anything he has signed unless proven otherwise by video evidence or in person - i mean from his whole 60 year career no just recently.
Mail Fraud may be the way to go both in the UK and US, as I'm sure all other countries too depending on your actual laws
If he "fixes" this by actually signing a bunch of books, is anyone buying? I'm assuming they'll go right back to Simon And Shuster for sale.
He cannot be trusted. His excuse doesn't pass a smell test. "Close quarters" prevented 5 people from attending the signings! Get bigger quarters, dude!! He can afford it. He did concerts with this "vertigo", and it didn't seem to stop him. Total BS.
"Black's Law Book"- “signature” as a person's name or mark written by that person or at the person's direction". Can you forge your own signature?" The prodigious amount of repetitive sales of autopens/pencils is the way to go think. Intent.
"Hand signed" is quite different. That has a specific meaning, and it is well established....
I'm not sure. We know a legal signature can be done by an agent. If the resultant signature, Autopen or free hand pencil, is the person's legal signature. However accomplished. What is "handsigned" and what is "forged". You cannot apparently forge your own signature. The intent is the way to go. I expect they have a full "out" in place already re "hand signed" and "signature"..
To quote a member in this discussion, "the use of 17 different autopen signatures is sure evidence of intent." Pay particular attention to the 1st description of mail fraud below (although Mr Zimmerman certainly qualifies for all 4).
In order for an individual to be convicted of mail fraud, certain specific elements must be proven. These include:
1. The perpetrator must have acted with the intent to scheme or defraud a person or entity.
2. The scheme must have involved material misstatements or purposeful omissions.
3. The scheme or fraud resulted in, or would likely have resulted in the loss of property, honest services, or money.
4. The perpetrator must have used the mail in some manner to further the scheme to defraud.