eBay sellers lock-em-up-bob & samsobo forgeries slabbed by PSA/DNA - Autograph Live2024-03-29T15:14:32Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/ebay-seller-lock-em-up-bob-samsobo-forgeries-slabbed-by-psa-dna?commentId=3524372%3AComment%3A1172393&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt was, thank you. What I was…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11914672018-03-29T03:17:13.596ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>It was, thank you. What I was really wondering about, apart from the submission itself, is did you have stickers applied or placed on the cert?</p>
<p>It was, thank you. What I was really wondering about, apart from the submission itself, is did you have stickers applied or placed on the cert?</p> Just curiosity. Those 6 were…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11915662018-03-29T03:13:12.395ZWoody2Shoeshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Woody2Shoes
<p>Just curiosity. Those 6 were my first submissions to any grading service. I chose those 6 cards out of hundreds. They had enough value to make paying for the process worthwhile, but not so great a value as to inhibit my sending them. I had no intention to sell them. Just a tryout to see how it works. It wasn't a test of their abilities, I wasn't out to prove a point, and honestly, the 3 no flies surprised me, I never suspected those three being flagged. Matter of fact, I know they make…</p>
<p>Just curiosity. Those 6 were my first submissions to any grading service. I chose those 6 cards out of hundreds. They had enough value to make paying for the process worthwhile, but not so great a value as to inhibit my sending them. I had no intention to sell them. Just a tryout to see how it works. It wasn't a test of their abilities, I wasn't out to prove a point, and honestly, the 3 no flies surprised me, I never suspected those three being flagged. Matter of fact, I know they make mistakes, it's no surprise, I've seen it many times with the autos that I feel I have a great deal of expertise in, like Ruth. But none of these 6 submissions were anywhere near the magnitude of a Ruth, I had no reason to believe that any would fail, especially as they were self-witnessed. During the time I've been a member, this is actually the first time I've ever mentioned it! I didn't think it was any type of shocking revelation, an error by a major; everybody makes mistakes. I only mentioned it because it seemed pertinent to this discussion.</p> For me, I was not talking abo…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11913362018-03-29T01:59:31.751ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>For me, I was not talking about the forum. There are many good eyes here (at least 25 pairs I know of, give or take). I was addressing people buying TPG stickers and reputations/brands with no self-generated opinions or input but a large dose of delusion. I do agree the cumulative knowledge here, across so many disciplines, is <em>invaluable</em>. </p>
<p>The experience you posted Woody, 6 sigs submitted with 50% failed, and yet you saw <em>all</em> singed, speaks volumes. One take away for…</p>
<p>For me, I was not talking about the forum. There are many good eyes here (at least 25 pairs I know of, give or take). I was addressing people buying TPG stickers and reputations/brands with no self-generated opinions or input but a large dose of delusion. I do agree the cumulative knowledge here, across so many disciplines, is <em>invaluable</em>. </p>
<p>The experience you posted Woody, 6 sigs submitted with 50% failed, and yet you saw <em>all</em> singed, speaks volumes. One take away for me is "don't submit". Were you going to sell them? Why submit items you had signed yourself? </p> very well said Woody
++1tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11912532018-03-29T01:52:21.806Zgoodcathttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/goodcat53
<p>very well said Woody</p>
<p>++1</p>
<p>very well said Woody</p>
<p>++1</p> IMO, this forum is the best p…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11913302018-03-29T01:45:26.768ZWoody2Shoeshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Woody2Shoes
<p>IMO, this forum is the best place to seek answers for authenticity. We have the best of the best here. Mantle, Maris, Joey D., Williams, who in this hobby is as good as Chris Williams, Terrier, Big John, et. al, etc., at sorting out the gold from the chaff? Aerospace; who in this hobby is as good as Big Z at giving these the nod or not? This forum is comprised of members, each having their own niche of expertise at levels that transcend the grading services.</p>
<p>The #1 takeaway is that if…</p>
<p>IMO, this forum is the best place to seek answers for authenticity. We have the best of the best here. Mantle, Maris, Joey D., Williams, who in this hobby is as good as Chris Williams, Terrier, Big John, et. al, etc., at sorting out the gold from the chaff? Aerospace; who in this hobby is as good as Big Z at giving these the nod or not? This forum is comprised of members, each having their own niche of expertise at levels that transcend the grading services.</p>
<p>The #1 takeaway is that if you want answers about authenticity, you can do no better than right here. And that's a fact; not an opinion.</p> My take away is rather differ…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11912522018-03-29T01:33:25.258ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>My take away is rather different. It is just further confirmation to do my own work (aka "collecting"). Otherwise, I am just listing names and then names of people who had opinions on those names and/or other "brand" names etc. I'd rather spend my time reading about ink or paper sizing or signing habits or just about...anything. Not to you Woody, but so much posturing here these days I am getting a backache.</p>
<p>My take away is rather different. It is just further confirmation to do my own work (aka "collecting"). Otherwise, I am just listing names and then names of people who had opinions on those names and/or other "brand" names etc. I'd rather spend my time reading about ink or paper sizing or signing habits or just about...anything. Not to you Woody, but so much posturing here these days I am getting a backache.</p> The takeaway is faith. that t…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-29:3524372:Comment:11913662018-03-29T01:23:44.073ZWoody2Shoeshttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Woody2Shoes
<p>The takeaway is faith. that these are observations. Unless you have gotten a signature yourself, seen it written with your own two eyes, there's an element of faith involved in authenticity. A company's thumbs up can reduce the element of faith necessary, by virtue of their reputation. Or increase the need for faith based on their lack of it.</p>
<p>I've submitted 6 autographs obtained in person to two different companies. Majors. 3 were green lit, 3 were red lit. I witnessed all 6 of these…</p>
<p>The takeaway is faith. that these are observations. Unless you have gotten a signature yourself, seen it written with your own two eyes, there's an element of faith involved in authenticity. A company's thumbs up can reduce the element of faith necessary, by virtue of their reputation. Or increase the need for faith based on their lack of it.</p>
<p>I've submitted 6 autographs obtained in person to two different companies. Majors. 3 were green lit, 3 were red lit. I witnessed all 6 of these signed! Two of them were by the same player; one of them green lit, the other one flagged.</p>
<p>So the takeaway is the same as that story tommy Lee Jones tells in No country for old men about "nothing is ever certain".</p> And yet your reply in no way…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-28:3524372:Comment:11912422018-03-28T23:11:45.509Zgoodcathttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/goodcat53
<p>And yet your reply in no way answers my questioning.</p>
<p>I wasn't just referring to your Maddux comment. I was commenting on your all your responses. </p>
<p>But you do have an elaborate way of expressing yourself, as meaningless as it is. </p>
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<p>And yet your reply in no way answers my questioning.</p>
<p>I wasn't just referring to your Maddux comment. I was commenting on your all your responses. </p>
<p>But you do have an elaborate way of expressing yourself, as meaningless as it is. </p>
<p></p> What's confusing about what I…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-28:3524372:Comment:11913092018-03-28T23:00:16.400Z0daqnwz731p09https://live.autographmagazine.com/xn/detail/u_0daqnwz731p09
<p>What's confusing about what I said? </p>
<p>Look at Greg Maddux's signature again if you're having trouble understanding. It's somewhere between George W. Bush and Jack Lew in complexity. </p>
<p>I think you have to look at 10,000 Maddux signatures and then do an average of the loop's diameter and angular tilt. Then do the Pythagorean theorem on the zig-zags.</p>
<p>Once you finish calculating that then you'll be at a 50/50 probability of whether it was actually signed by Maddux. </p>
<p>What's confusing about what I said? </p>
<p>Look at Greg Maddux's signature again if you're having trouble understanding. It's somewhere between George W. Bush and Jack Lew in complexity. </p>
<p>I think you have to look at 10,000 Maddux signatures and then do an average of the loop's diameter and angular tilt. Then do the Pythagorean theorem on the zig-zags.</p>
<p>Once you finish calculating that then you'll be at a 50/50 probability of whether it was actually signed by Maddux. </p> You are confusing me Appleton…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2018-03-28:3524372:Comment:11913032018-03-28T22:17:31.328Zgoodcathttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/goodcat53
<p>You are confusing me Appleton</p>
<p>You're slamming these baseball authenticators and yet you collect 19th century signatures.</p>
<p>Who authenticates them for you? Or do you only use your own eyes. Because there's no way you can convince me that you witnessed any signatures via IP from the 19th century. </p>
<p>I'm just not understanding your rants, or Stephen Duncan's support of them.</p>
<p>In other words, what is the difference in these baseball cards to what you collect? Someone has…</p>
<p>You are confusing me Appleton</p>
<p>You're slamming these baseball authenticators and yet you collect 19th century signatures.</p>
<p>Who authenticates them for you? Or do you only use your own eyes. Because there's no way you can convince me that you witnessed any signatures via IP from the 19th century. </p>
<p>I'm just not understanding your rants, or Stephen Duncan's support of them.</p>
<p>In other words, what is the difference in these baseball cards to what you collect? Someone has to authenticate them at some point. </p>