Jackie Gleason Authentic Autographs and Secretarial Signatures: 1951, C. 1954, C. 1964 & the 1970's

Hello,

I thought this composite might be useful in identifying the rampant secretarials of Jackie Gleason's signature that are offered, both raw and certified. The topic has risen before, but I did not see this all laid out simply and clearly labeled. Gleason's authentic signature is quite rare in any form. Almost everything out there is a secretarial or poor forgery, especially the 1970's signatures. The comments below concern the scans above as shown.

The authentic example from 1951 shown is typical of this period, not terribly neat, sometimes slightly flowery, and with a rather bouncy base line (especially early examples) in "jackie", which often appears as "jockie". Note the overall shape and slight lean of the "a" in Jockie" compared to the secretarials (much more round). Note the attack of the "jackie", the connection of the "j" to the "a", and the clear construction of the "k" (hooking back and under). Sometimes the "e" in "jackie" is a touch higher than the "i" and leans back a bit to the left. Also note the differences in the formation of the "g" in "gleason" with the 1950's secretarial (and the form of the "ason"). The "a" in "gleason" is often complex and dense. Ink dispersal shows a rather quick hand compared to all the secretarials. Authentic examples are very hard to find and rather expensive if identified. Gleason's signature remained more or less the same, sometimes taking on a more extreme slant, until the early 1960's, after which it became more scrawled and a bit simplified. Most authentic examples appear to come from the 1950's and are often found on album ages; examples from the 1960's can be found on playbills and theater programs as well as other items. From what little I have seen, later examples exhibit more variation and simplification in the last years and are seldom encountered.

The 1950's secretarials are easily spotted by an overall drawn quality, extreme neatness, straight baseline, even ink dispersal/pressure, and the very similar "j" and "g" bottom loops. Do not ignore this. The formation of the letters in first and last names is very different and the "ason" in "gleason" is quite different from the authentic (see the elongated space between the "a" and "s" in the secretarial) and is always legible (true of most all secretarials), with no ending trail off that melds the final letters. This is important. The entire signature is very clearly and carefully drawn. Early examples can show an elongated thinner "j" (now added in a composite scan posted below), but are readily betrayed by the rest of the signature which displays hesitance and the drawn quality and form. These 3.5" x 5" secretarials exist in quantity, yet I believe are still quite collectible as period items - if you wrote to the Jackie Gleason Show during the 1950's this is indeed what you would have received. Very few of these bear authentic signatures.

The 1960's secretarials are even more obvious with very even ink dispersal, a very different overall slant compared to either the authentic or earlier secretarials, a straight base line, a different formation overall and of the last name in particular. The "j" in "jackie" is not connected to the "a" as the authentic. The capitalized "E" in "glEason" first appears about C. 1959 on the earlier C. 1954 PC's, many times from the same source but I digress. They bear ballpoint signatures that appear much like the 1960's version(s). Several examples exist with the capital "E" ALL c. 1959/60, so that one can distinguish the forged from the secretarial apart from the other problems. Note the opposing slants of the "j" and "k" in "jackie" compared with the authentic example - same holds true for the 1970's and 1980's. These 3.5" x 5" secretarials with the "E" do not show up as frequently as the earlier 1950's 3.5" x 5" secretarials which are comparatively common. There is another scarcer 3.5" x 5" early 1960's (Perhaps 1963) version showing Gleason on stage in front of curtains with a raised arm - I have seen this version bear the shown 1960's secretarial signatures (not all with "E") and, very rarely, a genuine signature. If my memory serves, I have seen a very few stamped versions of just the standing pose from Miami.

The 1970's secretarials, as those of the 1980's, are also very neat and exhibit very consistent ink dispersal even if more fluidly executed. These later secretarials are usually accompanied with the inscription "My Best Wishes" and a "dash" "-"; and display a slant to the right, posses a readily identifiable "j", and the "k" is formed very much like the "i" and "e" - with all reaching the same height. There is usually a space before and/or after the "a" in "jackie" (lone "a"),and often a space before the "a" in "gleason". The last name appears to be broken into two or three segments. There can be some variation of the "g" (thinner bottom loop, angular tipped) but the rest of the signature will quickly confirm the secretarial (the "j", which sometimes has a loop at the top and a slightly varying flourish, and then the "g"). These secretarials are extremely common, generally accepted as genuine, and are usually seen on 8" x 10" cast signed bus photographs (with the rest often authentic), fan letters, personal portraits and, later, 5" x 7" portraits. The signature is almost always in black felt tip without regard to what the item is; this allows ready examination of the ink and pressure changes which will reveal the secretarial. The presence of a "dash" is problematic -  seemingly limited secretarial only - perhaps Marilyn  - I have yet to see a genuine example with a "dash".

Below is another authentic vintage signature - a superb example in pencil that dates to shortly after the 1951 example above. It is a wonderful example of the true signature of The Great One.

Additional authentic signatures from 1944 to 1961 can be see here (the 1948 example is very useful, but they all are of great value in this discussion), as well as a confirmed common secretarial from the 1970's:

Jackie Gleason Confirmed Authentic Exemplars at The Classic Enterta...

Note: If you have an authentic Gleason signature or another type of secretarial from any period and would like to share it for the purposes of this article please contact me. Member Bob Shinn also has a superb example, but I wont post images w/o permission.

Eric

A large scan of the 1951 has been added as an attachment below.

Closing notes: It is sometimes said that Gleason's wife signed for him. Gleason was married 1936-1970, 1970-1975, and 1975-1987. From what I have seen the "My Best Wishes" secretarials, which represent the overwhelming majority of signatures, start to appear on photographs from about 1975 on. The presence of this inscription does not equate with being a secretarial, but this is often the case. I also note the lack of any transitional examples of the secretarials. The little I have seen appears forged or unusual in some odd way. His authentic signature mutated slightly over the years while retaining basic elements, yet the secretarials just change violently. I have never seen the 1960's style secretarial signature shown in the composite above, whose appearance seems to correlate with his move to Miami in 1964, on anything but these small photographs from this period.

This article is under construction. Updated October 16, 2017 with much additional information and a new scan. © EKL 2016

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I loved watching those game shows they had daytime versions of To Tell the Truth for a long time.  I have letters from  John Daly and Bennett Cerf and I think a card from Arlene Francis.  I was going to get Dorothy Kilgallen but decided against my game show panel collection. I did finish my To Tell the Truth collection of Bud Collyer, Tom Poston, Peggy Cass, Orson Bean and Kitty Carlisle (the best panel). I also have Don Ameche, Ralph Bellamy, Barry Nelson, Dina Merrill, Gene Rayburn and I think Polly Bergen. Never got Robert Q. Lewis, Betty White, Hy Gardner or John Cameron Swayze.  Of course there is Jackie Gleason's own "infamous" game show "Your're in the Picture" that ran one episode and an apology from Gleason the next!

That is quite a collection! Ah, yes. Gleason. "What am I doing with my head in this cardboard cut-out?" That Kilgallen "sneeze", whatever it's origin, is bizarre TV. Did you ever see "This is Your Life" where it seemed a good idea to have one of the people that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima with a victim? Also, strange TV.

Did you know Orson Welles wanted Gleason to play The Advocate in The Trial of 1960!?! 

I remember the episode with Kilgallen's "mousey" sneeze!  Ralph Edwards from "This is Your Life" could be somewhat rude at times especially to Oliver Hardy and his handling of the drowning of Lou Costello's son. Both episodes are cringe worthy because of that. I do not recall the episode you mentioned but again uncomfortable would be a polite term.  Gleason was a great dramatic actor although given few opportunities for it.  Welles was a genius who often complained about being undercut by editing and studio decisions. I have never seen "The Trial" maybe TCM will air it.  Gleason I bet would have been good in it.  I loved "Don't Drink the Water" the original with Gleason and Estelle Parsons.   I preferred that to Woody Allen's later remake.

Here - super candid toned gelatin silver original prints of 2 very lucky kids on the Honeymooners set with Gleason and Carney. The middle shot with Alice is a minor gem, with that mic boom. Circa 1953.54. Ralph is thin. I never imagined I would ever own such photographs. These are medium format contact prints, on original stock with some age tone and abrasions. I could not care less. Sig is cropped from USPS PC blank, 1.21.53 mint & superb. Click for full image please. 

I was thinking - these photographs must be scarcer than his signature. 

This and the previous posts are for hardcore Honeymooners fans! 

That is a wonderful autograph and those photographs are amazing.  I think there is no doubt such photographs are much rarer than signatures.  Having said that I believe his autograph is much scarcer certainly than I previously thought.  Congratulations on such great finds!

Thank you Scott! I also believe so - never having seen anything like them at all. I really can'e believe I have such photos. The Alice one...and Jackie as Ralph...thank you! I will think of you first with my 1960's rehearsals photos now for sale.

Eric, those pictures are EXQUISITE!!! The look on Jackie's mug with the kids is just soooo him, you know? And the behind the scenes with the boom... well, I work in the business and on set on occasion, so its no mystery to me, but to see it from such a classic show is just amazing. And of course, the signature is just as much a work of art. I might not chime in the thread often, but I always enjoy the read. Thanks for sharing!

I am so pleased to have these photographs. 

I don't think I can top this!

Still way over the moon! Bang Zoom! And Jason said "mug" just like Jackie would...

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