Michael Jackson forgery with possible Tracks coa - Autograph Live2024-03-29T13:39:10Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/michael-jackson-forgery-with-possible-tracks-coa?commentId=3524372%3AComment%3A1378992&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI went back and forth yesterd…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-16:3524372:Comment:13790492019-08-16T16:44:03.861Zwascherhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Wascher
<p>I went back and forth yesterday on your item trying to decipher if it was possibly a Secretarial item or a forger signing unknowingly like a Secretarial item.</p>
<p>The Capitalizing of full words is often seen on secretarial items. A 3 or 4 stroke E is also seen, where you usually see a one stroke capital E on MJ's real writing.</p>
<p><strong>Secretarial:…</strong></p>
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<p>I went back and forth yesterday on your item trying to decipher if it was possibly a Secretarial item or a forger signing unknowingly like a Secretarial item.</p>
<p>The Capitalizing of full words is often seen on secretarial items. A 3 or 4 stroke E is also seen, where you usually see a one stroke capital E on MJ's real writing.</p>
<p><strong>Secretarial:</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429696293?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429696293?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="444" height="552"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429665793?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429665793?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="450"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54743277?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54743277?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a><strong>VS a couple of real photos signed.</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110207439?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110207439?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="563" height="422"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1425002761?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1425002761?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="593" height="445"/></a></p>
<p>MJ capitalizing an E 99.999% of the time looks like this:</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429739558?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429739558?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>The other thing off on your item is the Love (note where the lower loop of the L sits and how stiff the L is on top)</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429754744?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3429754744?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a>Here is what Mj's Loves looked like throughout his career. The lower L loop falls below the imaginary line we write on almost completely, and they have a flow to them vs the stiff upper L.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110306382?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110306382?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="506" height="342"/></a>In secretarial sigs, they don't fall below the line fully like they should, sort of half way down.. but are not up as high as the item you have. They are stiffer on the upper part of the L, but not as stiff as yours either. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1440500865?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1440500865?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="493" height="563"/></a>Any way just some MJ info for you to look at, and will help you in the future. </p>
<p>Just a note, almost all of the authenticators out there, right now (big names) are passing Secretarials as legit. Unfortunately.</p>
<p></p> OK, it has wrinkles in differ…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-16:3524372:Comment:13789142019-08-16T03:10:16.210ZSteve Cyrkin, Adminhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/SteveCyrkin
<p>OK, it has wrinkles in different places, and the color, so I thought it was a different shirt.</p>
<p>OK, it has wrinkles in different places, and the color, so I thought it was a different shirt.</p> Your correct Steve, I didn't…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-16:3524372:Comment:13790922019-08-16T03:04:52.484Zwascherhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Wascher
<p>Your correct Steve, I didn't realize I grabbed the same one twice, (same shirt, probably different lighting / sale)</p>
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<p>Your correct Steve, I didn't realize I grabbed the same one twice, (same shirt, probably different lighting / sale)</p>
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<p></p> Thanks a lot for the examples…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-15:3524372:Comment:13789922019-08-15T22:59:36.913ZMike Kaminskihttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/MikeKam
<p>Thanks a lot for the examples wascher, it's definitely an example I'll be looking out for now especially since it seems to be the exact same used by this forger as pointed out by Steve.</p>
<p>Could this have been printed on the shirts somehow? It seems incredibly unlikely to have two forgeries that are near exact matches. </p>
<p>Thanks a lot for the examples wascher, it's definitely an example I'll be looking out for now especially since it seems to be the exact same used by this forger as pointed out by Steve.</p>
<p>Could this have been printed on the shirts somehow? It seems incredibly unlikely to have two forgeries that are near exact matches. </p> Wascher,
The autographs on th…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-15:3524372:Comment:13788842019-08-15T22:43:50.162ZSteve Cyrkin, Adminhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/SteveCyrkin
<p>Wascher,</p>
<p>The autographs on the white and orange T-shirts are exactly the same.…</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428357976?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428357976?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428358639?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428358639?profile=RESIZE_710x"></img></a></p>
<p>Wascher,</p>
<p>The autographs on the white and orange T-shirts are exactly the same.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428357976?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428357976?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428358639?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428358639?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p></p> Sorry Mike, this sucks. But…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-15:3524372:Comment:13789842019-08-15T21:47:15.277Zwascherhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Wascher
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<p>Sorry Mike, this sucks. But I had to point it out. I believe this originates from someone that did a couple of styles of MJ sigs, but in general they all had some common characteristics that weren't normally seen on real MJ's. Here are a few for examples…</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54779399?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" height="491" src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54779399?profile=RESIZE_710x" width="655"></img></a></p>
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<p>Sorry Mike, this sucks. But I had to point it out. I believe this originates from someone that did a couple of styles of MJ sigs, but in general they all had some common characteristics that weren't normally seen on real MJ's. Here are a few for examples</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54779399?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54779399?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="655" height="491"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428102602?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428102602?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="600"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428103520?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428103520?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="600"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54765366?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54765366?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="472" height="610"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54755736?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54755736?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="451" height="601"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428124714?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3428124714?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="500"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54756079?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/54756079?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="622"/></a></p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110325158?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/110325158?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="622" height="491"/></a><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3427863479?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3427863479?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full" width="600"/></a></p> Hi Wascher,
I'm the seller o…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-15:3524372:Comment:13785582019-08-15T13:31:44.240ZMike Kaminskihttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/MikeKam
<p>Hi Wascher, </p>
<p>I'm the seller of this item and just saw this - removed the item for the time being. I can assure I did not manufacture the LOA from Tracks haha. I'm reaching out to Paul Wane and I'll send over a message to you as well to hopefully get this resolved. Thank you!</p>
<p>Hi Wascher, </p>
<p>I'm the seller of this item and just saw this - removed the item for the time being. I can assure I did not manufacture the LOA from Tracks haha. I'm reaching out to Paul Wane and I'll send over a message to you as well to hopefully get this resolved. Thank you!</p> Not only do you have to worry…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-15:3524372:Comment:13787522019-08-15T12:49:30.346ZSteve Violahttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/SteveViola
<p>Not only do you have to worry about forged sigs, but also forged certs? What a wonderful hobby this can be</p>
<p>Not only do you have to worry about forged sigs, but also forged certs? What a wonderful hobby this can be</p> I suggest you contact Paul Wa…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2019-08-14:3524372:Comment:13784272019-08-14T20:11:42.783ZBruce Juicehttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/BruceJuice
<p>I suggest you contact Paul Wane at Tracks -- they'll tell you if someone forged their LOA.</p>
<p>I suggest you contact Paul Wane at Tracks -- they'll tell you if someone forged their LOA.</p>