Hi, Steve. This was puzzling me so much that I drove home to look at the item. It is definitely a cut magazine page and it is definitely hand-signed (or auto-penned). I have enough experience to tell when a pen has laid ink on an object (i.e., the item is not a pre-print, that much I know for sure). I rescanned the photo (to the best quality I can with our home scanner), and I have also scanned the article section on the back of the magazine page. Let's be clear, this is not a pre-print...I know the difference.
I agree, it's not printed in the magazine. And I googled some text from the article and didn't get a match, so no help there. Maybe the guy selling copies of it can help you with a source.
Hi again, Steve,
I was just Googling the magazine text, myself (great minds think alike!), but I couldn't find anything, either. I'll ask the auction seller where the image they have came from.
Thanks for the help, everyone!!! A bit of a mystery here!!!
I contacted the seller and he acknowledges that he has a database of signed photo images from eBay and other websites that he keeps on file and then makes copies of to sell. He said that he is not breaching eBay policies, even if I have the original photo. He stated that as long as they are listed as “copies” he can do what he likes. Is he correct? I have contacted eBay to get their opinion.
He is wrong. The original image itself, before it was signed, is protected by copyright and sometimes trademark law (if it is an image used for branding purposes). Adding an autograph usually doesn't end that protection, but you generally can use the signed image to sell the original signed photo, or for some editorial purposes.
The scan or photo of anything uploaded to this site or our editorial site is also subject to our copyright.
But do you have rights? Only to the image created when you scanned it, not earlier images.
EBay provides protection to copyright and trademark holders under VeRO, but the rights holders have to file a report with eBay.
Thanks, Steve. In other words, the magazine (publisher, photographer, etc.) would have to file the report. That makes sense; I didn't take or publish the original photo. I'm sure eBay will do nothing in this case. The seller expressed that he really couldn't care less if I have the original; he will keep selling the copies until eBay stops him from doing so. What a wonderful world!
Hi, Cee Gee,
All of the indicators of a hand-signed signature (including those that you mentioned) are on this item. The ink is ON the paper - not IN the paper. You can see the shadow of the ink from the other side. The page is glossy but the signature’s ink is streaked and the surface is obviously interrupted by the ink. You can see the slight indentations in the paper as the signer pressed to make the signature. I have many autographs and have seen many pre-prints in person. This is 100% hand-signed. I have contacted the eBay pre-print seller to find out how they got a copy of my originally signed item. I will post their reply on this discussion thread.
Unfortunately, there is nothing on either side of the page indicating what magazine or what issue it came from. Googling the text hasn’t worked, either.
Hey Pete.....I came across this great tool about Tiger Woods hand writing and his characteristics....I hope this may help...Iam also going to post a great video I found of Tiger signing photos from his career...
The striking qualities of this signature are the lower zone loop on the “g”, the huge capitals, the small middle zone part of the letters, the ascending quality to the capitals, and the long horizontal stroke at the end.
These patterns tell us that he was extremely ambitious as seen in the size of the capitals and the fact that they are ascending – heading up to the stars, one might say. Present too is, one might say, a superiority complex covering up an inferiority complex. I wonder if part of Tiger’s immense drive has some roots in trying to prove himself to his father. Though an only child of his parents, his father had three children from his first marriage.
His great physical mindedness is depicted in his letter “g”. We often see this in great athletes as this is the area of our physicality. There is a great rhythm and swing to this stroke. The imagery can be seen of a full golf stroke when this is coupled with how he forms his “T”.
With so much of his psyche being devoted to ambition and athletics, there isn’t much left for the emotional realm as is seen in the middle zone letters. He is not one that “does emotions”. The horizontal stroke is sometimes referred to as an “accountant’s stroke” as this is a very cautious ending; putting the brakes on, you might say.