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What is up with Substance Collectables - Milton Luban
Jason had started a thread; http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/what-is-exact-proof-...
and like all good threads there are discussions witin discussions but this sub-discussion came up on a dealer Milton Lubin & http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1
It appears that in 2003 although the Lubans were properly served but they failed to answer the complaint.
Jason went on further in one comment;
This link is the link with the guy and the actual photo we have on files one doctored that has the guy mentioned above.
http://bertorelli.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/rocky%c2%b4s-boxing-glov...
On 17 May 2012 the guys who were building a file heard the following news : He received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings today. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo. This guy is total scum and is getting what he deserves.
The most famous website in the world for tackling fakes did a special on him here you can read it for your selfs. click the link.
I wont pu the photos yet I will leave them as aces in our hands till we have too but I believe there is enough here to make your minds up if this is true or not.
http://www.isitreal.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7...
Recently I received some photos that appear to have been photoshopped and were alleged to be used by Milton Lubin to promote his product offerings. The one on the left is what has been alledged as the real one while the one on the right has been alledged as fake ones that were used as "proof" pictures.
One recent excerpt from Jason;
Ps yes DB strange here seems no one in America cares about what s going on in their door step and on of this forums own. (sometimes Jason - it takes some extra cycles ;-)
Since I have no dogs in this fight and Milton Lubin is an AML member here as was pointed out in the intial thread above, it would be pertinent to have some feedback on these claims and allegations.
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scan 1Photo of Muhammad Ali with Celebrityautogaphs.com watermark on it in light print;the senior authenticator placed SubstanceCollectables.com watermark on it as if it was his photo.Scans 3 and 3Associated Press photo of Muhammad AliScan 4Associated Press photo of Muhammad Ali used by senior authenticator for Substance Collectables website.Scan 5image related to auction from May 21, 2007 of Muhammad Ali signed boxing glove with cos SubstanceCollectables.Scan 6The image of Muhammad Ali collection used for that auction was taken from Steiners Sports Marketing websiteScan 7The design of the Substance Collectables coa for that auction was taken from Global Authentic.
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Image on Substance Collectables web site in 2015Scan 2The photo was taken by Chris Farina/Top Rank.Scan 3Image on Substance Collectables web site in 2015. The photo was taken by Ester Lin/Showtime.Scan 4Image on Substance Collectables web site in 2015Scans 5-6The photo was taken by Will Hart.
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seller fizwig listed 112017916369 Muhammad Ali over Liston signed photo. It was from thestock of the senior authenticator, it has coa Substance Collectables, and accordingly itwas removed June 5, 2016.
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Scans 1 and 2randys2051 listed on 172232791716 Muhammad Ali signed glove and trunks. The trunks were from the stock of thesenior authenticator, they had coa Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removed June 7, 2016.
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Scan 1Guzman gloves forumScan 2image of Rachelle Leah UFCScan 3image of Rachelle Leah UFC with graphics/text added by senior authenticator used to promote Substance Collectables in 2015Scan 4senior authenticator Muhammad Ali memorabilia video using image of Steve JacksonScan 5the image was taken from Alico website.
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can 1a proof shot of Muhammad Ali from one of his signing sessions in which the senior authenticatorplaced the Substance Collectables watermark on it , as if it was his photo, and used it on one of his blogs, topromote his website. The senior authenticator never had a signing with Muhammad Ali.
Scan 2Sugar Ray Leonard signed boxing for sale Substance Collectables web site,Scan 3The proof shot is a Getty Images photo.Scan 4Sugar Ray Leonard signed glove PSA/DNAScan 5Sugar Ray Leonard signed glove Substance Collectables posted alongside PSA/DNA
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squareringmemorabilia had listed 182176392695, Muhammad Ali signed boxing glove, it was fromthe stock of the senior authenticator, it came from Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removedJune 20, 2016.
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Scan 1photo of Joe Frazier signing boxing glove from Review JournalScan 2Review Journal Joe Frazier photo used by senior authenticator to promoteSubstance Collectables web site.Scan 3photo of Joe Frazier and family taken by La Shinda Clark of Philadelphia Inquirer.Scan 4The senior authenticator copied the copyrighted photo and used it on his web site.Scan 5Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali photo taken by Walter Looss for Sports IllustratedScan 6The senior authenticator copied the copyrighted photo and used it on his web site.
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Scans 1-3f1mikol listed 152145613148, Muhammad Ali signed boxing glove. It was from the stock ofthe senior authenticator, it has coa Substance Collectabes, an accordingly it was removed onJune 27, 2016. The proof shot belongs to Stacks of Plaques, not Substance Collectables.
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Scans 1, 2, and 3seller all_stars_int listed Muhammad Ali signed and framed glove on 252417475064 , he had a quantity of three, they were from thestock of the senior authenticator, they had coa Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removed June 8, 2016.Scan 4seller universal-autographs listed Muhammad Ali signed boxing glove on 122005651727, he had a quantity two, they were fromthe stock of the senior authenticator, they came from Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removed June 13, 2016.Scan 5proof shot from an auction in 2014, for a different Ali glove, from a different sellerScan 6universal-autographs copied that proof shot, cropped it so it might not be recognized, placed his watermark on it as ifit was his photo, and used it in auction 122005651727
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Scan 1sweetcherubbaby listed Muhammad Ali signed and framed boxing glove on auctions 112021921878and 112051499920. It was from the stock of the senior authenticator, it had coa Substance Collectables,and accordingly was removed on July 9, 2016.Look Familiar????
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