I suggest you review the items for sale by an eBay seller named: presidentialcollectibles
It appears that this seller is using a new 2012 autopen machine and is counterfeiting, ( if that is the correct term?), celebrity autographs. The seller's description states that, "These signatures cannot be found anywhere else", so it is unclear if anyone else is also currently using this autopen device. Thus far, one can purchase a Neil Armstrong, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, Bruce Lee, Babe Ruth, or Elvis Presley autopenned ink signature, and according to the seller "provides high quality signature which is an exact replica of the original".
For obvious reasons, I find this 'new autopen machine' quite troubling. Aside from the potential influx of confounding new autotypes, does creating these autotypes represent an issue in intellectual property law? I am not a lawyer, but..................
Should the profits of sales of the 'new autopenned' signatures belong to the estate of the signators?
Examples:
Steve Zarelli
"Looks just like a real signature.... WINK WINK"
It's irresponsible IMO to produce a product like this.
Sep 15, 2012
DB
how would any of this be different from those that claim it's a reprint of an "original"? More often than not it's not an "original" but thats another story. What's troubling about this is IMO these will start turning up somewhere else as being an "authentic" signature.
This is a 8x10 Neil Armstrong photograph signed in marker
This is an Auto pen replica signature of the original signed by Neil Armstrong with "'Commander, Apollo 11" written underneath his signature.
A robotic machine was used to sign the signature found in the auction.
The new state of the art signature machine manufactured in 2012 which was used for the signature in this picture, provides high quality signature which is an exact replica of the original.
The signature is in ink and is virtually indistinguishable from an original signature.
The common problems associated with the old autopen and robotic signature machines such as a shaky signature, a light signature, especially one that does not have variation in pressure and abrupt pen stops have all been eliminated. The signature on this item is a virtual replica of an original.
These signatures can not be found anywhere else.
Sep 15, 2012
Richard S. Simon
He has not been an active ebay seller for three years. Then he gets this autopen device and presto he is back on ebay.
This is dangerous and scary. The plethora of reprints on ebay are just copies and can easily be discerned. That does not seem to be the case here.
DB is correct, they will turn up as authentic signatures, no question about it.
Perhaps this device has already been in use with other sellers and we don't even know it yet.
Perhaps it has been in Florida? That would not surprise me.
Sep 16, 2012
Richard S. Simon
Look at what he has been buying on ebay, look at his feedback.
He has been buying large quantities of fountain pen ink.
What is this going to lead to?
Sep 16, 2012
Steve Zarelli
I NEED TO ORDER A NEW SIGNATURE FOR
OUR MACHINE. WHERE DO I GET A FORM?
You can call customer service at 1-800-636-4450 to request a form. Please have your machine model available when calling. You may also download a form from our web site: Ghostwriter Signature Order Form or SigTech Signature Order Form.
So, this would mean the company creates the signature templates. Wouldn't you think they'd have a policy against creating templates of deceased celebrities?
Sep 16, 2012
DB
each state has it's own specifics on what constitutes counterfeiting. One might also think that estates (e.g. Armstrong or Ruth) would also be able to take some action on any proceeds that resulted by producing these signatures that have not been authorized (although most ignore it). Unlifke durable good counterfeiting that involves "knock-offs" like Gucci or Rolex.
Ebay actually has a guide on detecting knockoffs such as the Invicta but nothing so far on signatures such as this;
Unfortunately based on the "listing" there would not be any legal intent; is the imitation of something with an intent to deceive verbiage or otherwise. Now, I'm not so sure that the next person in line intent will be the same.
Nonetheless, it was worth reporting and reported it was. Now it's up to EBAY.
Sep 16, 2012
DB
In the meantime; Perhaps this thread should contain a list of replica items already sold & perhaps the ebay user that purchased them while they are still available;
how does one not only reproduce the ball but the box as well.... An Al Reach replica baseball from 1928. Red and blue thread, just like the original Also included is a replica Al Reach box with Ernest Barnard signature.
An Avenger poster; 290758822119 signatures include: Robert Downey Jr.(Tony Stark) Chris Evans (Capt. America), Mark Ruffalo (Hulk) Chris Hemsworth (Thor) Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow) Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye) Tom Hiddleston (Loki) and of course Stan Lee.

290761032808 The signatures on this item are a virtual replica of an original. These signatures can not be found anywhere else. These are not digital copy signature or reprints.
signatures include: George Lucas, Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) Harrison Ford (Han Solo) Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) Anthony Daniels (c-3po) Kenny Baker (R2-D2) Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca) James Earl Jones (Darth Vader) Ewan McGregor (Obi-Wan Kenobi) Natalie Portman (Padme) Frank Oz (Yoda)
In Total 4 of the Dark Knight Posters have been sold - here are two of them 290760188512 signatures include: Christian Bale (Batman) Gary Oldman (Commissioner Gordon) Tom Hardy (Bane) Joseph Gordon-Levitt (Blake) Anne Hathaway (Selina) Morgan Freeman (Fox) Michael Caine (Alfred)

a 2nd one 290761246187 was also sold that is exactly the same
Sep 16, 2012
Dr. Richard Saffro
I deliberately purchased one of the Armstrong 'autopens' in an effort to try to see the item firsthand, as well as gather more information on the seller. The item is quite clean and indeed there is an ink signature ( or thin blue marker) on the 8 x 10 photograph of Armstrong. If one was not aware of this variety, they can easily be fooled into believing that the signature is authentic. The receipt from the seller does NOT indicate that the item is an autopen, but instead states," Neil Armstrong Photo signed in marker". It is just a matter of time before these items get into the marketplace as resales.
Sep 16, 2012
Richard S. Simon
"It is just a matter of time before these items get into the marketplace as resales."
There is absolutely no question about that.
Wow, this is really bad news.
Sep 16, 2012
Steve Zarelli
Sep 16, 2012
Dr. Richard Saffro
San Juan Bautista, CA 95045
Sep 16, 2012
BallroomDays67
The Al Capone autopen was ended early by the seller, and it appears that the John Lennon and Elvis autopens may have been removed by eBay.
Sep 16, 2012
Dr. Richard Saffro
I just found another interesting seller. Please check out: Dailyhits7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Abraham-Lincoln-Autographed-Handwritten-Let...
Could this Lincoln ALS be reproduced with the same technology? I emailed the seller to see if this item is copied or autopenned. More to follow.
Sep 16, 2012
Dr. Richard Saffro
When reviewing the items for sale from Dailyhits7, be sure to look at the other Lincoln, Sinatra ISP ( a beauty!), the Beatles, Marilyn Monroe, and the Apollo 11 crew TLS. How can this not be counterfeiting?
Sep 16, 2012
Mike Shepherd
If eBay is going to allow this type of behavior they should at least institute a policy that does not allow autopen signatures to be sold unless receipts indicate clearly that they are “autopen” and not “in marker” signatures. That is a simple solution. It is also clear that these items will be sold to unscrupulous individuals who will simply sell them as authentic at a later date. I am not sure where else a seller will be able to resell these items except on eBay but if eBay is serious about only allowing authentic items to be sold on their website it is in their best interest to do something about this. Hopefully PSA and JSA will be able to keep these items out of the hands of serious collectors but as you all know there is a college student out there that will purchase one of these items believing it to be authentic only to realize that it is a fake years later. Yet another reason to add to my list of why I avoid autographs sold on eBay.
Sep 16, 2012
Steve Zarelli
The "Dailyhits" reproductions appear to be no more than copies, which I am sure in-hand would be detectable. Probably taken from the Heritage Auction archives.
By the way, I noticed the Heritage Auctions will not longer allow you to save an image if you right click on it. I suspect image theft and reproduction is the rationale for this.
Sep 16, 2012
Richard S. Simon
One of the Dailyhits buyers did complain about a "cheap copy" of a Custer photograph on the feedback page.
They look like stolen scans to me and I doubt if these will fool anyone.
Sep 16, 2012
Mike Shepherd
The buyers of the items that we are concerned about do not seem to be selling anything autograph related on eBay. They do not appear to be autograph dealers. I can't figure it out. Why would anyone want to purchase these items?
Sep 16, 2012
DB
@Mike, yet anyways.
Sep 16, 2012
Mike Shepherd
You may be right DB but I just don’t understand how a guy goes from selling hunting equipment to fake autographs. Something really strange is transpiring here.
Sep 16, 2012
Richard S. Simon
The guy was a presidential collectible seller then remained totally inactive on ebay for three years.
Then he pops up with an autopen machine???
Huh??
Really strange is an understatement Mike.
Sep 16, 2012
Mike Shepherd
I was referring to one of his buyers Richard. Sorry for the confusion. Assuming that the intention is to resell the items I just don’t get it. None of the buyers display any indication that they will resell the items based on their recent history on eBay.
Sep 16, 2012
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
I'm posting the images I have of these machine-signed autographs in Dr. Saffro's blog, not in comments.
Are they still posted on eBay? I couldn't find them a couple hours ago.
Sep 16, 2012
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
On Babe Ruth, notice that the T is crossed from right to left. This was pointed out to me by Garry King from Autographica in the UK, who told me about these last week.
Sep 16, 2012
presidentialcollectibles
I'm presidentialcollectibles... The items that I was selling on ebay are produced in Asia with an Asian signing machine. There is a factory in China using a new signing machine made in 2012. You can send them your pens, ink and items. They will sign them for you. I am not doing anything to defraud anyone. I clearly post that the items are replica signatures. Our intent was never to hurt your hobby. I will make a commitment to clearly mark the back of any item we sell as REPLICA.
Sep 16, 2012
Richard S. Simon
To Pres Coll - if the item is in a frame how will a prospective new buyer know that it is a replica?
Sep 16, 2012