I just wanted to post these here to see what Fudd the Lowly Mantle Collector can do to help stop the flood of forgeries into the market place. The goal is that we can all start educating ourselves before we buy. To see what a beautiful signature the Mick had, and to learn to distinguish it from the obvious forgeries at first glance. Something TTA, STAT, DREW MAX, GAI GLOBAL (Baker certs) My Favorite Players Reborn (Tony Podsada) & Christopher Morales can't seem to do....at all? You will almost never see a signature in this photo album collection that would match or come close to anything that has been certed by any of those guys. Maybe you'll find 1 in a 1000 if you're lucky. To tell the difference between what an original hand signed Photo by the Mick looks like vs. an obvious Fake at first glance is easy. Give it a try. It's Fun!
As has been told many times, The Mick made more in one signing than his dad did in 1 year. He felt obligated to his fans to give them a "work of art". He did this by signing on just the right spot for the particular photograph he was presented. The size of his signature was determined by how big the sweet spot was. He knew EXACTLY how to fit his signature in so it looked perfect. A thing of beauty really. Please note that these are not all the same signature over and over, but merely a sample from my collection. What I do know is that these are consistent with the WAY Mantle signed and structured his Autograph as we know it. Good luck! FUDD
AUTHENTIC EXEMPLARS-PHOTOS
http://s1342.beta.photobucket.com/user/fuddjcal/library/Mickey%20Mantle%20Photos
AUTHENTIC EXEMPLARS-BALLS
http://s1342.beta.photobucket.com/user/fuddjcal/library/Mickey%20Mantle-Balls
Steve Zarelli
May 16, 2011
CJCollector
Fudd was one of the first viewers of my videos and a staunch supporter. Helluva job here, Fudd.
Below is a great example of a Mickey Mantle forgery.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPHED-OAL-BASEBALL-1...
May 16, 2011
Rick Meyer
May 16, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Fudd,
Thanks for these. I used them as examples of genuine for the Mantles in the soldier in Afghanistan's SPs.
May 16, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
I need some very high resolution signed in person Mantle autographs from photos (1200 dpi+). Just scan the signature...don't need the entire photo. You either need to have seen these signed or know someone you trust 100% that saw them signed. Must be signed in Sharpie and scanned at 1200 DPI or better.
Can anyone help?
May 16, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Hey Fudd... what do you think of this one? I hope you like it because I just bought it!! :-)
I like it when there is a crossover loop in the M. Don't see it too often on the second M.
It compares very favorably to this SP of yours:
May 17, 2011
Brandon Mysinger
May 17, 2011
Fuddjcal
May 17, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Here's another one we can certainly put in the good column.
(click to enlarge)
May 19, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
May 21, 2011
Steve Zarelli
If you look at the large image, you can see the flow and speed -- it was signed loosely and quickly. The letter formation is perfect when compared to known authentic exemplars.
Secondly, it was purchased many years ago before the forgery contagion hit epic proportions. Also, at that time, books were a very unlikely medium for forgeries.
I suspect that even to this day, forgeries in books are at a much lower proportion than with balls and photos.
May 21, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
May 21, 2011
Steve Zarelli
$150 with no third party authentication. I am 100% comfortable with it and feel no need for a second opinion. The seller claims to have obtained it in-person at a Long Island card show. All of his material looked good and passed the sniff test.
Around $150 is the going rate for real Mantle 8x10 with no TPA. With PSA or JSA, you are looking at $250 and up.
As was documented here a few months ago, I got burned with some fake Mantles. My fakes were a cut above the STAT/Burczyk junk, but they were fakes none the less. Since then I have dived in and taken a crash course in the Mick. You look at enough good ones and talk to other collectors for tips... eventually it "clicks" and you can really see the difference between real and fake.
May 21, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Here is another addition to my collection. With FUDD's approval, I think we can add this as an authentic exemplar to add to the group. A nice over and under. :-)
Jun 8, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Mr. Zip,
How about a close-up scan of the autograph so we can add it to our comparisons?
Thanks
Jun 8, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Jun 9, 2011
Fuddjcal
Jun 9, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Jun 9, 2011
CJCollector
My man Fuddjcal will love this one from his favorite auction site:
Jun 11, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Jun 11, 2011
CJCollector
Steve, for some reason they don't name the issuer of the COA on that particular item.
http://alwaysatauction.com/iSynApp/auctionDisplay.action?sid=191&am...
Jun 11, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Pretty sure that isn't even an official MLB ball. Looks like a synthetic cover.
The slow "chugging" effect in the loops of the Ms is really visible in the ballpoint ink.
Jun 11, 2011
CJCollector
Jun 11, 2011
Fuddjcal
eye yai yai, those close up's really does do the item justice. One can really see just what a pathetic attempt this particular forgery version really is. You can COMPARE @ $3,099.00 though!!!! It really is enough humor to make one wet their pants.
Always Fake At Auction..."where America shops to get bent over and lubed up!" Compare @ being a moron for buying anything there.
Jun 11, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Here's a good one on eBay.
A Mickey Mantle signed 8 x 8.5 photo. You think maybe it's 8 x 8.5 instead of 8 x 10 because someone cut 1.5 inches off the bottom because it had a GAI or Morales or STAT hologram?
Jul 2, 2011
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Jul 2, 2011
Rick Meyer
Jul 2, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 20, 2011
CJCollector
Nice write-up, Cee-Gee.
I have never "educated" buyers about autographs mainly because I didn't want to give the forgers any hints to improve on their forgeries, but even with all of the Mantle "education" on Mantle autographs out there, all of the forgers trip up somewhere. 99% of Mantle forgeries are fairly easy to spot. Even Marino's Mantle forgeries had obvious flaws. The below is a "Marino" Mantle.
Jul 20, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 20, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Where did you get that image?!? lol
I did that almost 10 years ago and hosted it on my old site. I really don't like it now and don't feel it's as accurate as it should be.
Jul 20, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 20, 2011
Steve Zarelli
I'm not confident it's really accuarte anymore and I know a lot more now than I did when I did this 10 years ago. Not sure I agree with the high K. And some real Mantles do have the stretched out "tle." I just wouldn't want anyone to place too much weight on it.
Although, it is a good example of a Marino Mantle forgery. Ahhhhh... my first Mantle fake courtesy of B&Js Collectibles. The memories....
lol
Jul 20, 2011
Rick Meyer
Jul 20, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 25, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 25, 2011
Fuddjcal
Jul 27, 2011
CEE GEE
Jul 27, 2011
Steve Zarelli
For reference, here is another B&J Collectibles forgery currently on eBay. I'm starting to wonder of these are Marinos or another forger.
Useless COA.
Aug 1, 2011
CEE GEE
Aug 1, 2011
Steve Zarelli
If anyone is interested, here is a nice one on ebay now for a decent price. The seller is good as I bought one of my Mantles from him.
Disclaimer: I have no relation or interest with the seller... just trying to pass on a good item!!
Aug 3, 2011
CJCollector
My buddy Fuddjcal will love this one that is up for auction over at "that" other website. Amazing how this 1961 vintage Yankees photo is all-of-a-sudden on a auction site and autographed by Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford. Authenticated (haha) by Mr. Document Examiner (Drew Max/AAU).
Aug 9, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Aug 9, 2011
CJCollector
Aug 9, 2011
CEE GEE
Aug 9, 2011
Steve Zarelli
The old maxim that "some things were not worth the forger's time" is out the window. It's apparent these slugs will fake anything -- even the most common $10 autograph.
Waiting for the appearance of a flood of forged Bob Feller and Enos Slaughter items...
Aug 9, 2011
CEE GEE
Aug 9, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Oh yeah. His fake style is already out there on the 500 HR lithos, but it's really obvious even to someone casually familiar with his signature.
Aug 9, 2011
CJCollector
Here is another example of a Mickey Mantle forgery with a COA from "B&J Collectibles." The seller of this forgery used to sell a ton a of that GAI garbage certed by Mike Baker.
http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-MAYS-SNIDER-SIGNED-MAJOR-LEAGUE-B...
Aug 15, 2011
Steve Zarelli
Here is a forgery style I've seen a few of lately. Not sure if this is a new style or an old style and a few just happened to crop up recently.
Aug 15, 2011