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Beatles Magical Mystery Tour set- copy?

There are a lot of great items available at auction this next week and I recognize most of them from the last 20 years but this new one on R&R has got me doubting myself and could use some help.

It looks great but a little too familiar... anyone remember this one that was signed for the boy in the opening scene of the movie that sold at Bonhams like 5 years ago and again at Gotta Have It last year...

Is it possible that these were signed immediately after each other? There are extremely subtle differences in each signature but they are 99.9% identical. I would love to hear your thoughts.

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Permalink Reply by sling on August 4, 2018 at 6:16am

question is what amount of variation is typical for authentic signatures from the same year. Would like to see an overlay for a few authentic signatures to be able to truly understand such overlay analysis...

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on July 16, 2018 at 12:26pm

This is exactly what I found looking last Steve - I did not show it. It was very unnerving when such a good % of that Lennon slipped into place, and the presentation of seemed off. With adjustments...I did not follow through as there is too much going on with me.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on July 16, 2018 at 12:29pm

Reminded of previous PC generated pastiche, mechanically executed...and I am also thinking of some of those 5x7 b/w Gilmour's - those "best wishes" simply align TOO MUCH. Two DG's right in this place match so much...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 16, 2018 at 1:02pm

RR has been following this discussion and looking into it. Bobby Livingston said they previously sold the set they're offering now in July 2013:

https://www.rrauction.com/PastAuctionItem/3297336

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on July 16, 2018 at 1:05pm

Same here via PM. I need time to do proper overlay work and other.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 16, 2018 at 1:13pm

This is so confusing! So this one sold a year before the 2014 one. Is the other one with the provenance fake? I would love to hear the history behind this one. It’s obviously not the same person since there would be a letter.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on July 16, 2018 at 2:20pm

I was leaning towards these being two authentic, similar looking sets. There are so many differences, some of which are very minute.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 16, 2018 at 2:41pm

It's that all four signatures are so close to the other example. Not just one or two.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on July 16, 2018 at 2:44pm

exactly, Steve. I just said the same thing.

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Permalink Reply by sling on August 4, 2018 at 6:17am

good point

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 16, 2018 at 3:02pm

What about doing these 2 brief studies for starters:

1) The Beatles signed at least 5 "Meet the Beatles" albums for Dr. Gordon while he was treating George before the Ed Sullivan Show. Let's compare those signatures to each other by bandmember.

2) Two US release White Albums were signed by the band, reportedly at the same time. Tracks sold one in late 2013. Let's compare those two.

Would one or more members here be able to work on these?

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on July 16, 2018 at 3:15pm

Do you know for sure they signed 5 albums for the Dr. I read an article written by you in 2011 that said there was just one dedicated to him and one without dedication for his son.