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Authenticity is Everything
A Rolling Stones assignment. Is it real?
Awhile back I purchased a Rolling Stones newspaper. It was OKed by Roger Epperson before I purchased it. I didn't see, nor can I now see, there was any problems with it. I matted the paper and eventually offered it for sale on eBay where it was pulled by them.
I have since found out that this item sold on eBay in the past without a problem.
Yesterday, I received information from a member on this site who noticed this in a previous discussion and was informed by them that this is a known forgery style.
To also be fair, I have seen an email where Roger Epperson again(today) responded this set of signatures looks fine. Also, I have in my possession a ticket to the event on the same date as the newspaper, attendance wristbands for the event, and photo of the event site and inside during the concert.
I simply would appreciate to figure out if these signatures are, indeed, genuine or do they appear suspect. I both love and dislike a challenge and this is one to me. Appreciate any and all thoughtful responses.
Thank-you.
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Permalink Reply by goodcat on
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now I do understand
you have now changed your mind
now I got ya
Sheeple is a good term I like to use in some cases.
Sometimes it's the individual who can out the bad and make people follow by example.
Do you understand what I just said?
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Permalink Reply by Tiziano Vianello on
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Joe the set have four signatures not only one... It's hard or impossible that a forger maked all signatures correct... Impossible!! Only a scan or a print can maked this. No???
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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on
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Tiziano, what you see here is a decent public discussion on this specific set of Rolling Stones autographs. Are they genuine or not? I will say that numerous sources have contacted me privately with other facts or clues.
Some of these have been given to me with a request to keep some of the information private. And, I believe, for good reason.
Unless someone steps up and states he or she actually obtained this set in person and has a solid explanation exactly when and how, these signatures must be considered what they are. Very good forgeries.
Good enough to even fool an expert, especially when not given the opportunity fully investigate all pertinent facts. From what I can surmise, it's a set of Stones signatures which are an intentional, well crafted set of forgeries.
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Tiziano
I absolutely disdain your comments
Joe has presented a non confrontational arguement here for all to participate
Joe asked you about Elvis and you did not reply.
Yet Joe still responds to your inputs.I don't appreciate you mocking Roger Epperson on a public forum.
You are the ONLY one doing this and it's very disrespectful to Roger and to Joe on his thread.I can't even count how many times you said "I don't understand"
Maybe you should sit out of this and just read and try to learnAnd to Matt
Fantastic posts and thanks for those and the storiesTo Joe
Keep chasing those rabbits and hopefully the truth comes out and the seller does the righteous act and refunds your money.
If he/she does not.... Then I know I would out the person in public.
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I didn't mean to cause any upset. I don't know Roger Epperson but as I said in my first comments the Ronnie on its own could have easily convinced me. It's actually not that bad, I have seen an awful lot worse and worse examples of autographs signed in front of me. Everyone can be fooled. I am just a serious collector who has got to know the band and everyone around them pretty well. Most of the sets I see I can say are definitely fake, some I say are pretty good and could be real, very few I am sure are real. This is one of those could be real sets, signed in non perfect conditions, maybe, just maybe but the actual story around this set and its brothers and sisters is what swings the evidence for me. However this is just my opinion based on my experience.
It just isn't right on so many levels. I am certain I know the source and in this case the story that goes with it proves it's not real as I was actually there. Only a few months ago I was ask to authenticate a set of autographs and given no more information. I identified them as a set from this Mogador batch and guessed the source, I was correct. It turns out the source had given a lot of information to the buyer of the set I was asked to authenticate, they told them which hotel the band were staying in etc...(their usual one) However the band were in a different one (I know as I was at the band hotel). I was invited by both the band and the person who booked them.
There were very many similar sets apparently all signed (at the wrong hotel) available from the source at the record fair in London a few weeks later all sold for about £250/£300 each. One the band just don't sign that many for one person, certainly not Mick, and two there is no way anyone would sell a real set for that little. The source was indeed at the show as a band guest (that bit was true) and they were collecting lots of souvenirs at the end, many of which have appeared as evidence with each of these sets. I gave away my band seats as the band seats were all in the balcony and opted to use the invitation from the man who booked the show as I was given a front row one ;-) There is no "backstage" hanging out at venues like this unless you are born of a Stone.
I also asked my friend (unprompted) if she met anyone she at the show and she named the source who apparently asked for her email address which is written on the item! I admire Joe for weighing up the evidence and admitting he probably made a mistake. I just wanted to join the debate as i think I have a lot of value to add to the authentication of Stones autographs. Not only have I probably had more Stones done for me over the last 20 years than anyone but I have actually been there most of the time so I know when people say they got it here or there if the band were actually here of there or if they were signing of not.
It is not my intention to shame anyone and I will not name them. If the source does read this I don't think they will find it a surprise that I know they are being less than honest. It is very disappointing and all I would do is encourage them to stop.
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Fanatastic explanation Matt
Very happy the truth was found
Hopefully this is enough evidence for the seller to refund Joe's monies as it is truly the honorable thing to do
Cheers
PS
You did NOT cause upset
On the contrary... you helped to solved the mystery
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Permalink Reply by Devon Laney on
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Matt, thanks so much for the clear and informative posts. You are a welcome addition to AML,and I look forward to hearing from you (and seeing some of your collection) in the future.
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My first Woody signed guitar, I stood for hours in the freezing cold in the doorway of a closed bakers shop in South Kensington for this one. It was far from my first mission but my first guitar :-)
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I waited until 2003 to attempt my second guitar knowing how they don't like doing them having seen so many people fail while I succeeded in getting loads of Solo albums done! I went for another Ronnie ESP as that would give me the best shot. This was done in the side street to the Shepherds Bush empire aptly named Rockwood Place! The RA = Royal Academy and DLT = Drury Lane Theatre where Ronnie was exhibiting art at the time. It was after a Sheryl Crow gig if memory serves me rightly (I could look it up exactly). He had just released an album called Not For Beginners at the time.
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Wow. Incredible piece. Congrats Matt.
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This next one speaks volumes... please bear in mind I am a massive Ronnie collector, I have given him so many of his own things at this point, he is telling me where he is going each week, he is signing for me nearly every time, he is telling doormen to let me into parties etc... Then I whip out another guitar and what does he say "I've already done one of those for you" and looks disinterested in signing it. I explain the first was blue and the last was red and this is the only other colour I have and how great it would be to have the full set. He looks suspiciously at me and says "ok, but this one is yours" he dedicates it and writes the same!
This was done post a guest appearance to support his brother Art at the Eel Pie Club in Twickenham. Just consider for a moment every autograph store in America that has so many fully signed guitars in stock, let alone eBay and then think as a fan with a strong relationship spending night after night on the streets of London I can only get three guitars signed and only by Ronnie in four years. As they say in America, "do the math".
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