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Authenticating graphs today isn't like the old in the post mod pop culture  easily identified.  These days people need to follow auctions , trends to point out the forgers. Even then they still can't keep them from bs!

Thanks, Joe. I totally agree with your thoughts regarding the respected Beatles experts. I see this as being somewhat of an anomaly. Obviously, I’m not in the same league as those experts, but what Paul said is correct. Following the auctions over time can give you a big advantage in uncovering these things. 

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What is happening is both the best and the worst aspects of autograph collecting. Open discussions on specific autographs, especially with examples, is a wonderful way of defining what is likely genuine or not. Ballroom and Eric have done that superbly in this discussion. That allows a collector to learn more deeply on the subject at hand and assists them in making more accurate determinations in the future.

Pitting one authentication service versus another is counterproductive and hurts the overall perception of the hobby. Eating each other up only  clouds the issue further. No winners except for the bad guys.

No one should put absolute trust in anyone's opinion without independent verification. Each collector has their own acceptable level of "risk" when making a personal decision to purchase. Trust and verify.

The only way to collect autographs properly is to look at hundreds of examples over time. Nothing beats hands on experience. Any expectation of being perfect is delusional and will eventually lead to bitterness and disappointment.

As with life, one must handle the victories and defeats as a learning experience and move on. Good people make mistakes. Do what you think is right. And, sometimes, agree to disagree is the best solution. 

What do you think about this Ringo? Please notice: the G is high and tilted. The i also has a right tilt. However, the R looks good, the O looks good, the dot above the i looks good

It looks great to me.

Yea, it looks good, but it shows that sometimes Ringo signed with high and tilted G

Have you found any authentic examples that  display the "i", "n",  baseline and the rest mentioned that seem to place your Ringo on the right? The left column has at least one high "g". How did you interpret the scans posted and the patterns highlighted? I am surprised the thread went so many pages talking about names and not ink.

No, I haven't. The left column has one high "g" But! the lower part of the "g" is long. On the right column they all have high "g" and most of them have short lower part "g" (like the above example). It seems that on the right column the length of the upper part of the "g" is almost equal to the length of the lower part of the "g" (like in the above example). 

It looks like it would belong in the left column.  

it looks fine

This fascinating and great-reading thread shows how important a site like this is to collectors.

When you get together a very knowledgeable group of autograph collectors, this is what is suppose to happen.

At least twice a year someone will write me (paraphrasing) "How do you know the autographs are forgeries, you aren't an authenticator."

My stock reply is "You don't have to be an authenticator to know autographs."

Well done guys.

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