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Offered at RR. Is this legit?

does this look right to you guys?

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on July 25, 2022 at 7:11am

I thought at first there was a extra zero accidentally added to the cost of the accompanying Letter of Authenticity. $500 seems extremely excessive.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on July 25, 2022 at 10:24am

Are things like this seen in hand?

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on July 25, 2022 at 11:49am

I had always thought that "Pre-Certification" referred to a potential lot being examined and approved of as real prior to listing...but no LOA issued until a successful bidder ponies up for it after the auction is over.

Maybe it means "we're not sure" but we'll do the work of authenticating it if you pay an additional fee post-auction?

Not trying to be dumb here...I honestly don't know what it means.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on July 25, 2022 at 11:52am

Perhaps it is more like a QO from a scan? I don't know.

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on July 25, 2022 at 12:01pm

I don't know either. I also seem to recall that RR promises "no waiting" for an item to receive a Letter post-auction. Maybe $500 just buys a Letter.....not a service.

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on July 25, 2022 at 12:07pm

This is also from the RR website:

Q: Why are some PSA/DNA LOAs more expensive than others?
A: The retail price for a full PSA LOA is based on a formula that PSA has developed. As a rule, the more valuable the item is, the more expensive the PSA LOA.

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Permalink Reply by spaceman on July 25, 2022 at 1:18pm

The right thing to do in this case. Obviously not the REAL deal.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 25, 2022 at 11:19am

I have no specific knowledge on this item, but on rare occasion due to a procedural glitch, an item may be live on the site before it is actually reviewed. It happens rarely and the items are caught and removed before anyone buys it. So I would not assume this was actually approved by RR's authenticators.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 25, 2022 at 12:29pm

You clearly have great insight into how the process works. Can you provide any more details on the auction listing workflow from beginning to end? How many listings a month are entered into the system?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 25, 2022 at 12:49pm

Well, I have authenticated around 50,000 autographs for RR auction over the past 11 years. A wrong button is pushed. Entry errors happen. Humans make mistakes. The end result is that sometimes an item accidentally gets listed that should not have been. It's rare, but they always get caught and RR makes it right.

I don't know what happened here, but because I KNOW the process, would not make definitive statements about the matter.

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Permalink Reply by spaceman on July 25, 2022 at 1:51pm

If doubt is raised on any item up for auction. It should be incumbent on the auction house to prove its provenance or remove the item. An explanation should suffice but would unlikely be given. Too much money involved now.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 26, 2022 at 5:15am

Your assumptions are wrong. I authenticate the autographs of astronauts, cosmonauts and aviators. The core group that I authenticate is much less than 1000. You have a habit of making incorrect assumptions and poorly assessing situations you have no knowledge of. I’m not playing this gotya game with you anymore Servi. You clearly have an agenda and I don’t have any obligation to answer your loaded questions.