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Authenticity is Everything
Dylan - Philosophy of Modern Song - UK - £500
RIP my inbox, but here it is...
https://coles-books.co.uk/the-philosophy-of-modern-song-by-bob-dyla...
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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Regardless of your opinion, this info is gathered in 1 place for people to do as they see fit.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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I agree, it’s important to make sure that the target customers know about these, and that the publishers, bookstores, and artists know about the autopens, and know that this is not OK.
What none of us want, though, is for them to stop making and selling legitimate signed items. I’m for civilly writing the CEOs and the department heads involved but writing every executive and director in the company has a real chance of them deciding not to sell legitimate sign items anymore. Especially where we yell at them instead of acting civilly— even though being furious is warranted.
Plus, there’s always the possibility that seeing the same message in quantity from the same email addresses or number of email addresses will cause email server to think they are spam and they won’t even get to who you want them to.
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Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on
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My view is that a publisher if shown a signature study of Dylan with actual examples of the book in question, would react more positively. In my humble opinion, anyone who knowingly sells autopens as "signed" is committing fraud. I think if publishers are told there is a problem logically, it might help. Most of the people working for these companies have no clue about autographs. If shown, example after example of the same signature from different individuals would be helpful. I have doubts that emails from individuals will change much. Not being a music collector, perhaps there already is a Dylan study where people can post the autopens.
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Permalink Reply by crazyrabbits23 on
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Most publishers either don't know or don't care - they don't have employees or divisions whose job it is to vet this kind of stuff. The most you're likely to get is someone in QA whose job it is to oversee production control, and that rarely if ever extends to vetting the odd signed work.
Most of the time, it's material being sent to the publisher by the writer's management under the assumption that it's been proofed/legit. This is what happened with the Gretzky fiasco back in the day - his management sent signed pages/books with special limitation stickers to indigo, who sold it under the presumption that it was legit. The value of those autopenned books plummeted once it came out that they werent legit.
Lets wait for the pics from this Dylan run to come out - I expect we'll get a lot of info very soon.
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Permalink Reply by Dan on
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Your actions determine who you are as a person, the same goes for companies. Not enough resources is never an excuse. They are happy to price the book at 500 pounds, they have a responsibility to guarantee authenticity.
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on
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A BIG +1 from me Steve Cyrkin !
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Permalink Reply by Richard Booth on
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Totally agree Steve
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I totally agree. Let's leave it and see what we actually get. Then compare photos of the autographs - if genuine we've scored a blinder. If autopen, enough noise has already been created to enable refunds very easily.
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IMHO this whole Dylan "autograph"/autopen book smells bad.
I've got a bad feeling that when they got caught and called out by us over the INDIGO fiasco, they've simply packed them up and looked for a new market to try to scam there...and that is this UK market.
I would also worry at this point that if the books are "signed" it could just be a secretarial, as everybody knows Dylan hates signing. I've posted this before but check out this video of the pre arranged signing on Pawn Stars for Chumlee. Production staff said that even though Dylan had agreed to this setup before it happened and it was staged, he was still very awkward and extremely hesitant when it came time to actually do it. Dylan simply loathes signing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NWr5RKDRg
Further, check out his refusal to sign for some Dublin fans way back in 1966 !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc7umIAJctE
I personally would only trust his signed art.
Like I said...FOOL ME ONCE....
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Permalink Reply by Kai Jones on
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I hope theyre real at this point, just so I can post mine twice a day, every day, for the doom and gloomers (who, if you stop to think about it, really have no horse in the race).
If its fake, Ill return it for a refund. Pretty cut and dry.
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Totally agree!
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I have no doubt that these will be legit. But for me I can had a couple reasons not to buy. First I didn't really want to give him a cent of money after the Indigo crap. But also I would have only really be buying it as an investment as I'm not really a huge fan. So i probably would have just sold it sooner or later. And I appreciate how iconic he is to so many people and how having a legit auto of his is a dream come true. So hopefully a non flipper got the copy I could have got when I added it to my cart.
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