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Authenticity is Everything
Have you guys heard of canadagraphs?
They have several once upon a time cast members and a signed picture with multiple cast members.
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Permalink Reply by VVinola on
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I just want to remind you all that "proof photos" are not evidence that the autographs are real. Read some articles that educate you on this subject. Given the attitude of the poster, as well as the valid concerns raised by some members here (which by the way, I was going to say the same even BEFORE reading those responses), I have my reasons for being on the fence about the authenticity of these autographs. I should also add that there is currently no authentication company who have exemplars for all of these cast members, hence obtaining a professional opinion is difficult at best. It all comes down to this: Are you going to be able to enjoy these autographs if you cannot be reasonably sure they are real?
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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on
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Let me 1st say, before I dissect your post, my attitude, is irrelevant. You are far from the 1st person to tell me I have a bad attitude. Have you EVER met an autograph hound with a positive, friendly & sweet demeanour? I haven't. I've been all across N.A. & every hound I've met is snarky or quiet at best, and downright rude & belligerent at worst. Most, are pricks. So, if validity of autographs were based on attitude, then NONE would ever pass.
Proof photos, individually for 1 item, I would concur.
But 100s of proofs are as close to a sure thing as you'll get without being there. Certainly better than any authenticator, since they've been repeatedly proven to be wrong from time to time.
The fact that I literally have more proofs from some shows, than I have seen from some "reputable dealers" combined should really be the end of the debate. But fine. Lets look at this logically.Do you really think I've spent this time just running around the continent proofing people, all so I could sit back & sell a fake Brandon T. Jackson? Shouldn't I aim my goals a bit higher? Shouldn't I be focusing on some Biebers, or 1 Direction or some NFL & MLB stuff? Nope, I'm the expert forger with lowered expectations apparently. I apparently spend my time learning what a Matt Cohen or a Blair Brown looks like so I can make a $10 sale lmao.
If you are going to dig up a topic that was dead & buried for 6 months, I would expect some sound, well thought out debate as to why your opinion should be heard. Simply sitting back & going "well, you can never be sure" is the CRAPPIEST "opinion" you could have brought here.... especially to someones thread where they have actually backed up the years of encounters with literally 100s of proof photos, as well as detailed blog posts of some of those encounters. Do you think the people who replied in this thread have NEVER ever heard from anyone, anywhere, EVER "well, you never know." this the most cookie-cutter, recycled, babble spoken in autographs.
Instead of wasting your time, my time, and everyone who will read this, their time, with "well, I cant prove somethings real or fake, so it must be fake" stupidity. Consider this a VERY OPEN, very PUBLIC challenge (unless you are not up to the challenge...in that case, you should stfu permanently) for you to go thru my ENTIRE inventory, and find just ONE item that's fake. That's all, just 1. Feel free to call upon whatever known authenticator you want to help you out. I will eagerly await your findings.
In the mean time. You should quite literally, never, ever, give your "opinion" on a matter that you clearly 1- know nothing about & 2- have nothing new, relevant or insightful to add.
I should also add, are you high? You don't think an authentication company worth its weight has examples of the cast of OUAT? Seriously???
Odd, because when I look on ebay right now I see THIRTY THREE PSAed items from no less than NINE different OUAT cast members on there. NINE. Not 1 or two, but NINE.... and that's just the ones who had PSA in their item title, I'm sure theres more on there.I cant wait to read all about your findings here. The apology post about how you couldn't find an authentication co to fail anything will be a worthy read I'm sure.
PS - yes mods, I am aware you don't like the tone I replied with. As I stated in my earlier points about attitude of people who don't bother spending the time to investigate. This poster, like those before that I belittled, didn't even bother investigating, even went as far as to say my attitude is enough reason to doubt authenticity, as if somehow personality is a deciding factor on the legitimacy of items (from my experiences, forgers often kiss ass & talk nice... almost as if they NEED to please you for some reason...hmm wonder why). Its these EXACT type of posters, who do no work themselves, but want to spout their uninformed opinion, that I stated in my prior post that I detest. They literally came here, posted, just so they could see their name on an internet page. Its the only logical solution. Why else would they even open their mouths? After all, they didn't actually add any substance to the conversation, not just that, they couldn't even be bothered to spend a few minutes looking into the topic they jumped in on.
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Permalink Reply by wascher on
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Considering I was a brand new moderator here on this forum the last time I replied to you, stating that its "almost as if they NEED to please you for some reason...hmm wonder why" is moot. I am however NOT brand new at moderating in general. I've done it for 15 yrs on other forums. Answering people with STFU is not something I'll tolerate on any forum I moderate, so lose the lingo or I'll remove you. PERIOD.
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fair enough, I can certainly tone down the language and still make my point. I'l refrain from using words deemed as profanities. But this isn't going to minimize me still belittling people who are clearly wrong & need to be called out on it.
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Permalink Reply by Null on
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These are same hand forgeries, and you don't have to know ANYTHING about the signatures to be able to tell that.
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And the seller coming on here and going on a huge rant, name-calling, and relying on "100s of proof photos" which can be easily found on Google is a huge red flag.
As most of us here know, sellers of authentic items never do this. It is only the forgery sellers who fly on here and immediately start going off.
Authentic sellers would simply answer the questions, as there is nothing to hide. Not write a book about how stupid we are.
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If you knew anything about me, you'd know I'm quite an argumentative person, on top of that, theres few things I hate more than someone spouting their uninformed opinion on a matter when it literally could take them 5 minutes to LOOK for that info. We're all on a discussion forum ON THE INTERNET.... pretty sure that other things can be found on here.
"relying on "100s of proof photos" which can be easily found on Google is a huge red flag." Hey genius, everything posted on the internet can be found on google. Are you actually THIS stupid? Google isn't exclusive, it shows anything & everything that's been publicly posted anywhere. Of course, feel free to find these photos elsewhere. Like the last poster, that's YOUR challenge. Go ahead, go through all my proof photos, and find even ONE of them that isn't from me.....surely, you will find 100s of them, since they are "generic google pics".
"As most of us here know, sellers of authentic items never do this. It is only the forgery sellers who fly on here and immediately start going off. " - never do what again? Answering the questions asked, and defending themselves, or as you have rephrased it... "Going off"?. Odd, I would expect authentic sellers to definitely defend themselves, and most, probably would explain why you are so *expletive* stupid in the process. Usually in society, when someone is being called out for allegedly not having done something, that person is pretty adamant in telling everyone why those saying otherwise are wrong.
"Authentic sellers would simply answer the question"... did I NOT do that? The fact that I packaged the answer in a post that's longer than a tweet is irrelevant. Perhaps work on your reading skills, and you will be able to read things longer than a 140 characters.
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Way to bring lots to the conversation.
How many hours did it take you to come up with that in depth analysis.See what I mean mod? People like this, deserve to be mocked.
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Also "canadagraphs",
Tons of eBay sellers stick with "less-known" forgeries, so their items are not pulled by eBay and/or come up in forums like this. Forgers know people will think "Who is going to forge a "Once Upon A Time" photo? And the answer is there are plenty of losers who will, which in itself is incredibly hilarious.
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"Tons of eBay sellers stick with "less-known" forgeries,"
as someone who has been on ebay in the past, and spent lots of hours busting forgers on there, I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. Forgers target either 1- things worth $, or B- things they are familiar with (ie a specific sport, team etc). They don't just pick names out of thin air to forge because they think they'll be less likely to set off any alarms."Forgers know people will think "Who is going to forge a "Once Upon A Time" photo? And the answer is there are plenty of losers who will, which in itself is incredibly hilarious."
Don't think that thought has ever gone through anyones head, ever. Have you EVER seen someone who specializes in 1 specific TV show forging? I haven't. Most forgers stick with things they are familiar with, and don't waste their time usually on $10-25 items. They want things they know are sure sells at good money.
I have spent far more time taking down these people than you have, so leave the analysis of what they do & how they think to those that have actually done it competently. Considering how many times in the 2 posts above you were wrong, or failed to explain the point you were making, be hard to see how anyone would take your viewpoint on this matter with any validity.
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Both my comments above were completely valid, and 100% true as I have exposed tons of eBay accounts peddling $10-$20 forgeries all day long as opposed to going with one $200 item.
"be hard to see how anyone would take your viewpoint on this matter with any validity."
It's mind-boggling that you cannot.
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wow, almost missed this one with all the new posts to read.
(This board needs a system where you can read all the new posts in order, instead of scattered throughout the thread....anyone know if that option exists?)After seeing your crack analysis of my items, I wonder how many other good sellers you inaccurately fingered as fake.
Also, there is a massive difference between people peddling $10-20 fakes when those fakes are of elite stars, than someone peddling fakes of a D-list TV star, I still doubt theres any of those out there, and if so, they probably aren't doing well with sales.
What I find mind boggling is, your adamant insistence I'm wrong & you are right, but you never came up with any proof, except a bunch of circles....which by the way, I completely, and utterly humiliated you on if you haven't caught up on all my posts yet.
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