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Adrian Longden Michael Jackson Examples.. Michael Jackson Fans Needed!!

Hello everyone,

After reading about AFTAL's latest announcement, its obvious that it would be beneficial to have a thread solely devoted to examples of Michael Jacksons signature that were sold or gotten from Adrian Longden. Everyone please post as many examples of MJ autographs from Adrian as possible that are in question.

It would also be fantastic if the MJ fans out their could view these signatures and give their opinions as to their authenticity, and what they see right or wrong about them. This will prove to be a very good resource for future decisions.

Adrian also made some very bold claims about obtaining items from Jackson. Below are a few of his quotes from an older MJ thread. He states some things about Jackson, that the MJ fans out their would probably be able to confirm or deny fairly quick. Just as much as we need great authenticators on this matter, we also need the MJ fans that have been so instrumental in the Julians discussion. As they knew the man and his habits far better than anyone else. Here are some of Adrians statements.

"With regards to the Macca and the Kylie on this page they are not the best signatures but then again I've had a lot worse on a few occasions. Even the best or more regular of signatures can sometimes altar badly. The Mj's are real because I like a few others like Victor, Canada, Lisle, Adam & a few more without mentioning full names spent the last year of Jacko's life doing him daily & these were obtain in person by me. I personally obtained over 200 signatures from him in that window.

Now some may say no way b******* impossible but were they there? because those of us who were actually outside his house, outside the medical clinic, In the car chases, at the antiques stores, the book shops, the lights, the original dance auditions, the Ed Hardy shop, the Bev Hilton & the Bel air hotel & all the other many locations saw each other obtain large numbers of graphs. I had days of getting double figures often. When he signed he racked & not many people would know to what extent & this was a period only a few of us capitalized on. I have pictures with & video & memorable experiences of Mj. Do you know the names of his 3 main security? Do they know yours & would recognize you if they saw you? do you know the French fans & other foreign fans who'd regularly travel to LA to see him? Do they know you? Would you know the registration plates on his trucks or what colour they were or model? his address or various where abouts in endless places? Did he personally sign things to your name?? I can answer yes to all off them. I feel like it's wrong replying to these threads but then some may say you look guilty if you don't reply & some may say you look bad letting it bother you? how do you win? I guess you'll never satisfy everyone, there's too many forums & opinions from people now you'd spend all your time fighting your corner."

And for all you fans that he refers to as knowing, here is a picture of Adrian. Does he look familiar to any of you Mj fans who were by Michael all the time:

Below are examples of the Adrian Longden MJ's in question. Opinions?

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on January 13, 2013 at 10:28am

And a few more:

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on January 13, 2013 at 10:31am

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 13, 2013 at 11:16am

Hi Carl,

Great post! Did Roger identify every one of these as from Adrian? All are forgeries, but there are a couple I'm not sure are from Adrian. They are quite similar, but he's seen way more than me, so I just want to be sure.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on January 13, 2013 at 11:34am

Hi Steve, I am not sure. If Roger takes a look at them and sees some that arent, me or you can remove them. I went back through the Autographica thread and pulled out all the MJ's their that were said to be from Adrian. But either myself or someone else could have gotten confused.

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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on January 13, 2013 at 1:18pm

these all came from behind the scences

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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on January 13, 2013 at 1:22pm

more, from bts

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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on January 13, 2013 at 1:25pm

again same offered by bts

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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on January 13, 2013 at 1:26pm

one more for now, could look for others but this is the last from bts

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 13, 2013 at 4:46pm

Thanks, Steve. I not sure every one is from Adrian, but I don't think any of them are genuine. Behind the Scenes may buy from other sources.

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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on January 13, 2013 at 3:24pm

Great Thread Carl, This should allow a place for both the AFTAL and independent experts like Roger to interact.

Steven, When you say "behind the scenes" Can you explain what that means? Without giving up any info that you may not want to be consumed by the public?

I ask, because I want to relate your "behind the scenes" info to that of Adrian.

I find this subject quite amazing.

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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on January 13, 2013 at 3:41pm

hey Brandon

behind the scenes is an aftal dealer 005 that is owned by Dominic Manning the one that was apperently offing these to all the other aftal dealers , The apperent distributor of the MJ's

http://behindthescenes.org.uk/

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Permalink Reply by Gary Harvey on January 13, 2013 at 6:05pm

Hi Carl

As you know Ive been following this Adrian Longden thread since August and made a few emenies by some of my quotes and some of my conclusions I have offered.

Thank you for putting this up, its a good way of getting examples shown , but let me assure you we do not know all the sources that Adrian sold too

Roger Epperson knows people that bought from Adrian in the US , and I know of a few UK dealers that were supplied by Adrian also. But he may have sold privately to collectors also.

I do remember Ken Mills making a statement that Adrian sold to other US Collectors and Dealers. So its very frightening that there could be over 500 Michael Jackson items that have originated va Adrian

I dont beleive all these items will ever surface in one moment, they will keep appearing for ever. But I welcome anyone responding to your post and showing examples of items obtained via Adrian

What I will state is I have a small selection of Michael Jackson items that were obtained about 2 months prior to Jacksons death by a personal friend.

She was there at some of Jacksons haunts, and tells a diffrent story to me than the story being told by Adrian.

Hence I did make the statement in August, that perhaps some of the Jacksons obtained via Adrian were perhaps handed into security and were not actually obtained ' in person '

This statement I made created a reaction in the UK, and innuendos and threats were made to me. I was accused of siding for America in a War of Words over Authenticity between the UK and America

All I actually want is the truth !

But I now see that Adrian has advised AFTAL that he did infact hand some of his items over to security to be signed and returned. These obviously are NOT ' in person '

So it appears my statements were actually correct................

Thanks for showing the examples of items being sold that originated via Adrian

Are we to assume these actually were sold via BTS ? Or were they for sale and withdrawn when questions of Authenticity were raised

These are sad times for Collectors and Dealers Worldwide, when Authenticity is questioned on so many items from one collector / distributor

I for one as stated previously will never let this die and be swept under the carpet, and i thank you once again for producing this post