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Permalink Reply by Christian on September 10, 2017 at 4:56am

how do you know that?

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stumpel on September 10, 2017 at 2:43pm

Because I'm an expert on The Genius' life & works. I repeat: NEVER EVER did he sign anything!

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Permalink Reply by Phil Spilsbury on September 10, 2017 at 2:45pm

Looks like in that part of his life you are no expert as clearly he's signed a handful at least in the early days. It's impossible for anyone to say he definitely never signed anything even it they think they know a lot about him, which you may well do. 

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stumpel on September 10, 2017 at 4:10pm

Can't you read? Never ever!

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Permalink Reply by Phil Spilsbury on September 11, 2017 at 2:54am

Yes I can read thank you Bob. Unless you were personally sat with Ray every day of his life then you are clearly stating something you can't possibly know. Can I read? Doh!

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Permalink Reply by Bob Stumpel on September 11, 2017 at 8:24am

Spilsbury, we have a problem.

On 15 May 1963 Ray Charles performed at New Victoria Hall in London.

On 16 May 1963 he gave two performances at the Lewisham Odeon in London, as attested by this ticket stub: http://raycharlesvideomuseum.blogspot.nl/2010/08/1963-born-sheila-r...

I know of a concert in Birmingham on May 16th that was announced before the actual tour. But as it appears it never took place.

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Permalink Reply by Phil Spilsbury on September 11, 2017 at 8:44am

It certainly took place 

He did Finsbury Park london on the 12th, Hammersmith Odeon on the 13th and i think 14th too. Birmingham on the 16th and Leeds on the 17th, Manchester in 18th and back at the Hammersmith Odeon on 19th and it came back to Hammersmith Odeon on 1st and 2nd June. It's quite possible there were other performances especially as there were two or more shows a day. Bands like the Beatles would do a show at the Cavern at lunchtime and do an evening show in another part of the country in the evening. It's also quite possible dates were shuffled but the Birmingham show took place. Ray was also doing two evening shows on this tour at 7pm at 9.15pm on some of the dates. At manchester he did at least two shows at 6.15 and 8.45. 

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Permalink Reply by Christian on September 11, 2017 at 9:39am

i actually found a ticket from 14,15 and 16 may 1963..the 16 th was performed at the lewisham odeon..charles with orchestra..and two times on this day..maybe i read this wrong but..i saw no Birmingham,,maybe you can help me find birmingham on another Ticket Thanks:)

https://www.google.hr/search?biw=1280&bih=726&tbm=isch&...:

Permalink Reply by Phil Spilsbury on September 11, 2017 at 9:57am

The ticket in google and from the previous post is from the same blog. on that blog it says there was also a show in Birmingham on the 16th. Well he was in Birmingham on that tour. The blog itself says he was in Birmingham. Can I show you a ticket? No. 

Permalink Reply by Christian on September 11, 2017 at 10:12am

ok thanks:) now i saw..yeah it says..that it was announced in birmingham...

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Permalink Reply by Phil Spilsbury on September 11, 2017 at 10:17am

Whoever did that blog says he's not sure he has all dates and times correct. Some of have tickets which at least places him at some venues in several evening slots. It would be good if there was a definitive guide to all his concerts through the years but I'm not sure there is. The Odeon has also become a cinema since mid 1980's so hard to track dates.  

Permalink Reply by Bob Stumpel on September 11, 2017 at 5:01pm

@Christian - that's an ad, not a ticket.

@Phil - that blog (my blog, by the way) doesn't say RC was in Birmingham. It says there was an earlier announcement of a concert in Birmingham. The ticket stub, however, proves that NO concert took place in Birmingham on the 16th. It's unthinkable that they played two Birmingham concerts on a midweek afternoon, and on the same performed twice in London.

(Such a double-double gig would  also  be in contradiction with your earlier story, i.e. about the two boys meeting Ray in B'ham the afternoon before the concert).

I can appreciate all the effort you put in justifing your ridiculous asking price, but I fear it's all in vain.

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