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Authenticity is Everything
U2 on R&R and Iconic Memorabilia
Ok, first and most important this is not about bashing anyones opinion or expertise.
But I really believe this needs to be brought to the attention of this great community as (with my little knowledge about music autographs) I´m very confused with these (genuine? forged? partly forged?) autographs.
In another U2 thread in this forum this signed item from the current Iconic Memorabilia item was considered to be not genuine:
And the following item is offered by R&R at the current auction:
In my opinion these signatures are 99.9% identical.
If there are really differences in the signatures, which I don´t see, then the forger must do a heck of a job and I find it necessary to discuss this here so nobody will get fooled by this skilled forger.
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Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on
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WOW! It will be hard to deny that these are matches.
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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on
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Hey AB
Now this is a great discussion handled with class.
What caught my eye on the top one was the very unusual underline of "Larry's" name and the only time I have ever seen "Adam" underline his name. It's like the same person did it. Didn't pay much more attention to it after that. Putting these 2 side by side draws some interesting questions.
#1 I have the photo in my exemplar file from an in person collector that is trusted.
#2 Adam did not underline his name in the photo.
#3 The crossing of the "T" in Clayton is wrong on the top one but not the bottom one.
#4 The date under Bono's sig on the photo is spot on.
#5 THe Larry is the one that is creeping me out the most, they only difference besides the underline is there is more going on after the "R" in Larry in the top one and that is not like his signature, the one below seems closer to the real thing.
Give me your thoughts, if I messed up I'll fix it but right now I think I still made the correct call.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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I'm just weirded out by how close these look. Bono's signature is inconsistent enough where it's odd that you'd find two that look like this. And I agree with Roger on Larry. Is that really how he signs now? At first glance, you might think he'd given a nicer than average signature, but TWO that look like that?
Originally I thought the one above was fake (it seems like many forgers sort of squeeze their "Edge" autos), but now I'm not sure.
Not to be the pessimist, either - but they're kind of, well, too nice. Getting all four band members autos is a chore in itself, but two perfect examples, that look very similar, signed in the same pen . . . I'd like to know the circumstances in which these were obtained.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon O'Steen on
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Although I am not an expert and not much of a U2 fan, I would have to say that if the bottom photo is deemed authentic, then the top photo is authentic also. However, I fully respect Roger's opinion and can understand where he is coming from but wow........they do look very similar.
P.S. I finally got off my butt and joined AM Live a couple of hours ago. This discussion right here is what makes this hobby fun, interesting and a good learning experience. Thanks for letting me chime in.
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I'm not all sure the top one isn't authentic too, I was never asked to study it just took a quick glance.
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Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on
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I'm not familiar with U2's signatures but they do look similar. I don't think too similar that one can't be genuine and another can't be not genuine. They are close but there are some differences. Roger pointed it out.
I went on their site and saw it came with a PAAS coa. It doesn't always inspire confidence but PAAS has always struck me as a step above the GAI or ACE stuff, of which they have some showcased on Iconic Memorabilia.
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Permalink Reply by Darren Ruskin, III on
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In my opinion, neither one of these are real and it is obvious that they were both signed in the same hand. I do not have an account with R&R so I am unable to look at their past auctions, but I always look at the batch of current movie & music autographs they list each month. Pound for pound they are one of the best outfits out there in my opinion when it comes to these two genres - the only two I know anything about. Not always right, but bloody close to getting it right the majority of the time.
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For what it's worth, I ran these by some U2 fans connected to U2 Eastlink who've gotten in person examples the past few years and have seen tons of other fan obtained examples. The sentiment thus far has been that these are fake, though well done. Similar comments - Adam is the only one that looks good (or very close), but they immediately don't like the Bono or Edge (one said that the end of the Edge pen stroke is flat out wrong). And they don't know what to do with Larry. To me, that looks like an odd hybrid of his 80's sig and his current one.
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Ha, sorry to go off topic a bit, but I'd love to have on like this, lol!
http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/321541_10150824804450447_512545446_20947995_1299618655_n.jpg
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Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on
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I love how one "LARRY" autograph has 2 letter "R"s and the other has 1 "R"... Whoops...there's a Forgery mistake if I ever seen one...I think he should know how to spell his name...hahahahaha
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Larry's sig has changed drastically over the years - here's an example from '88. Like I said, it looks like the first name is late-80's style, which is odd but maybe not impossible. But, again, seeing two of them amidst two similar looking sets of autographs. Hard to feel good about it.
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