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Permalink Reply by Lou reves on February 24, 2011 at 10:37am

here is a stupid question, I never looked at CC before but in doing now I cant get pics of items to load past page 56? Who would bid on an item with no photo?

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Permalink Reply by Chuck Palsa on February 24, 2011 at 10:47am

Cecil B. DeMille said there is one born every minute!

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 24, 2011 at 10:53am

the "stupid" people comes to mind Lou, (lol) along with scammers & forgers who will then slap their COA on it if it reasonably close and then sell them for alot more to the more "stupider" people.

 

now, I must admit I have been one of those but not on anything to do with signed (so I am only 50% capa tosta) and it was a harlem globetrotter book from the '60s.  There are some "take chances" on items like these but only "fools rush in on the signed ones" and there seems to be quite a few of them.

 

e.g. current auction;

1747		Muhammad Ali auto mint red Everlast boxing glove-Nice!	$36	current
1748		Muhammad Ali auto MINT red Everlast boxing glove!	$30	current

a sight unseen Ali Auographed glove -

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 24, 2011 at 11:41am

and Lou forgot to add that throughout those next 150 pages w/o photos you will find it interlaced with COAs from JSA, GA, and an occassional Steiner & PSA/DNA (the latter 2 have higher bids) and of course the Stats & ACE oriented ones.    Thus, some bid (hopefully they verify the COA first) on that alone.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 24, 2011 at 11:50am

I've heard that the more valuable PSA/DNA material usually comes with fake auction letters.

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 24, 2011 at 11:55am

Good point Steve - which is why you have to validate the PSA/DNA Number that they typically have in the descrption.  If it is not on the registry... Run from it as w/o a picture, contact or otherwise - it would be fruitless to find out if it is an oversight or a fake COA.

 

Recall the babe ruth ball that was very authenticate and went for around $5K if memory serves me right.  That one however was listed once we got the ID Number squared away.  And weren't they responsive on that one.

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 24, 2011 at 12:22pm

and on those that just list the Cert and not the number they are typically responsive in providing it as they know it is more to do with bidding.  Just word your email in that manner if you want a response.

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Permalink Reply by Patrick Coughlin on February 25, 2011 at 3:22pm

I will tell you what a friend of mine is currently going through.  He had been buying stuff to sell from Coach's Corner for years.  Sold lots of their stuff.  Did a lot of work on his house and as he moved stuff around, he lost a few of the COA's.  He sold a few of the pieces that he lost the COA at a charity auction.  Told his buyers, they can bring it to JSA (their office is only 1/2 hour away from him) and everything would be fine.  Well, two of the customers brought the items and they were deemed fakes.  He refunded the money and called Coach's Corner.  They were not willing to refund his money since it was more than 30 days since the auction.  All they could do was accept the items for their next auction.  Yup, they are willing to take items which failed a JSA inspection and were willing to sell them to someone else. 

 

My friend than took about 30 pieces he bought from Coach's Corner to JSA and all but 4 failed.  Strangely, 3 Mickey Mantle's and a movie autographed poster (forget the movie, but it had some big names, think it might have been Goodfellas auto'd by DeNiro, Pesci, Sorvino, Liotta).  Anyways, he called Coach's Corner and the guy just blew him off, said there was nothing he can do.  He is contacting some lawyers to see if he has any recourse. 

 

BTW, all the pieces had been "examined" by Christopher Morales.

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 25, 2011 at 3:40pm

four out of 30... now that is something to be proud about and yet again Morales strikes.  It would appear to me that if used a credit card to pay for them then he can dispute the authenticity as being faked and then use their own words in their T&Cs against them with regards to "authenticity".  

 

"Any lots returned due to authenticity will be the responsiblity of the consignor. The consignor will pay the full commission for the item in question  even though they claim All Sales Final and No Returns on Authenticated"

 

Nonetheless, MasterCard operates by different rules when it comes to forgeries presuming your friend used MC.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Brzyski on February 26, 2011 at 3:09am

What does Mastercard -- do for you -- just curious DB -- on forgeries ?

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Permalink Reply by DB on February 26, 2011 at 3:36am

Presuming it was your intent to not buy something that was forged, It gets tricky with in-person buys -vs- over the internet.  But the item purchased was not as described and was proven to be fraudulent by a "well known & well accepted" 3rd party authenticator (see enclosed opinions).  

 

There are also variations to the above theme and there are some timing constraints... as in transaction made 2 years ago....  but even then there are exceptions to the "rule".  And remember you are typically dealing with the 1st layer phone support at the "bank" that issued the card.  At times  u may need to deal with the executive support layer attached to the office of the President of the bank that has issued the card.

 

Remember the "bank" is going to cite Mastercard (or Visa) in terms of what they can or can't do which is usually nothing more than an end-around (espcially with offshore customer service centers like India who frankly are the worse.... so you need to get it back to american soil) so you will also need to be vigilent in the argument if need be.  They will also not tell you about the "executive service" so just locate the CEO's Corporate Office Number and call s/he and voila "exectuvie service" appears.

 

The other item is that MC also takes note (as well as the bank) of merchants selling fraudulent material and have revoked their use of their service.   Most vendors who sell and don't provide chargebacks can usually be hit with a penalty charge as well.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Brzyski on February 26, 2011 at 3:24am

Gotta Love this beautiful Morales certified piece that was in the just expired Coach's Corner auction --- LOL !!!

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