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Ringo Starr & George Harrison autographs - Opinions please

A Few weeks ago, I listed these George Harrisson/Ringo Starr autographs on Ebay. Before the listing, i paid for a "PSA/DNA "Quick Opinion" to make sure they were genuine, and the reult came back "Likely Genuine".

They sold after 4 days on a "Buy It Now" basis, the buyer paid, and i sent the autographs. A week or so later, the buyer opened a case against me saying that the autographs were fakes. His reason for doing this is because he had tried to resell these same autographs for sale on Ebay, and Ebay had removed his listing while it was live, because they had recieved reports the autographs were fake.

Although the Ebay case is still open, i am willing to refund his money ASAP if the signatures are not genuine.

My dilemma is that Ebay had no issues with me when i listed autographs, and i have the PSA "Likely Genuine" opinion, but i can also see the buyers point of view, that Ebay will not allow him to resell them because they say they are fakes!

Opinions on the authenticity of these autographs would be very helpful for me, to decide if i should refund ! (Also, any opinions on wether you would refund in my position,would be intereting to hear)

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Permalink Reply by lgee on May 12, 2011 at 3:41pm

Thanks for that, much appreciated

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Permalink Reply by Devon Laney on May 12, 2011 at 5:26pm

The Ringo is bad. The "Starr" doesn't have the normal slanting of the "t" away from the "S", and I have NEVER seen a loop in in the "t". The Harrison looks suspect as well, although I can't be sure. The Quick Opinion you got from PSA is - as Steve said - just that. If you want to be certain, have Frank Caiazzo look at it.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 12, 2011 at 5:30pm

Amen.

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Permalink Reply by lgee on May 13, 2011 at 12:35am

How do i contact Frank Caiazzo? Does he authenticate for anyone?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 13, 2011 at 3:50am

Www.thebeatlesautographs.com

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Permalink Reply by Hitch1010 on May 19, 2011 at 7:18pm

Is he authenticating again? I heard he stopped because of a pending lawsuit.

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Permalink Reply by David H. Downs on May 13, 2011 at 5:07am

Tom, Franks assistant would be.more.than glad to set you up.

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Permalink Reply by lgee on May 16, 2011 at 1:45am

When you say Tom, are you referring to Tom Venghele?

I am struggling to contact Frank Caiazzo by Email or telephone!

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Permalink Reply by Garry King on May 16, 2011 at 10:04am

Both signatures are simple fakes, neither of them top notch either.

But that aside, it highlights a problem that many of us in the UK have had, and that is that eBay will remove an item, because they say that it has been reported as possibly fake. However, we may only relist the item if it is authenticated by one of ebays approved authenticators, al of which are on the other side of the Atlantic!

We need some light shedding on how this system works (it doesn't!), who says its fake, how you become an eBay approved authenticator, etc etc.

It all stink to me!

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Permalink Reply by David H. Downs on May 16, 2011 at 10:30am

No Tom is Frank's assistant at thebeatlesautographs.com

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Permalink Reply by Josh Board on May 16, 2011 at 2:52pm

It's hard to get into a topic like this.

I like hearing about somebody buying autographs, because it's something they've wanted for their collection -- like the guy who got his Yardbirds signatures.

Not somebody that just wants to flip them. Who really cares if they're real or fake. You just want to know, so you can make a quick sale. Well...good luck with that.