Authentic or Fake

i 'm a beginner   sorry 

could someone tell me about this  2  autographs ? 

the first

the second 

  thanks a lot for you hepl 

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Permalink Reply by Yannick on January 23, 2021 at 10:33am

This is a pretty common forgery style, like you can see for example on the 'sharp' M. Many of them were auctioned at RR-Auction over the last years.

Currently for sale on ebay:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-11x14-Signed-Photo-PSA-PSA-...


And these two currently on auction at RR-Auction:
https://rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=406
https://rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=407

Permalink Reply by kmansc on January 23, 2021 at 1:11pm

Just to be clear, are saying that you believe the current RRAuction Michael Jacksons are forgeries?

Permalink Reply by Yannick on January 23, 2021 at 1:54pm

Yes imo these two I listed above are not authentic

Permalink Reply by kmansc on January 23, 2021 at 2:47pm

Thanks Yannick.  I'd love to hear from any other music or Michael Jackson experts on the group as well.  Neither of these are mine, but I have bought a Michael Jackson item from RRAuction before that was authenticated by Roger Epperson, and both of the lots you mentioned are pre-certified by Roger.  

Permalink Reply by pongo67 on January 24, 2021 at 2:03am

but i don't understand  

how can rr auction  sell   wrong ones ?????    were it's possible to find real ones ?

thanks

Permalink Reply by Forgers Sump on January 24, 2021 at 4:37am

It's not the first time that happens. But in my experience, when someone report the fake items, they usually remove them.

Permalink Reply by Yannick on January 24, 2021 at 7:54am

Imo RR-Auction is a pretty good auction house to buy MJ autographs. They have a lower percentage of fakes than other auction houses but very frequently Roger Epperson passes fake autographs like these I posted above.
I went through the RR auction archive and found around 20-30 autographs with the same forgery style.

Permalink Reply by Phil on January 24, 2021 at 5:11am

Hi Yannick..So are you saying Roger mistakenly authenticated these or the are fake coas??

Permalink Reply by Yannick on January 24, 2021 at 7:55am

Imo Roger mistakenly authenticated them.

Permalink Reply by Phil on January 24, 2021 at 1:35pm

Eek that's not good...

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