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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 8:20am

Steve,

Are you just talking about the photos, or additionally the signed cards that I posted?  Again, I don't believe you should be comparing just the above 3 pictured photos, because 1 and 3 were clearly much earlier style signatures.  If you are stating everything I've posted, I will need to study further.

As mentioned earlier, I have hundreds of exemplars and will try to find something that I feel best matches the signature I posted.

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 9:52am

Ryan

In the case shown above, PSA/DNA has provided the correct opinion.   However, do you believe this 1979 Topps Munson, certified by PSA/DNA is real?  What characteristics does is have with the real ones?  If you believe everything that PSA/DNA certifies, you need to learn to think on your own. 

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 19, 2014 at 11:56am

This looks vastly different than any other item we've discussed. How did they get the first "T" wrong? LOL. 

Believe me, I have pointed out PSA/DNA mistakes several times, I am not a huge fan of any TPA and have never sent an item in to be authenticated by any company. I value my own eye, and other members here more than any other company that stickers stuff. 

I trust Terrier's eye on Thurman more than anyone else here. I am just simply using an outside an unbiased perspective to compare.

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 19, 2014 at 7:58am

Out of all the current/sold auctions on eBay, this is the only Munson photo I could find signed in some sort of "blue marker", as you can tell the majority were pencil, black sharpie, or some pen. Once again, this one looks aboslutely NOTHING like yours in question:'

Here is yet another side by side comparison with yours:

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 8:16am

The picture you posted is "the abbreviated" Munson signature.   As his career went on the "Thurman" became shorter and often became "Thor".   I believe it to be a later style Munson, probably signed in the 1976-1978 time frame.  If real, I still believe the bottom signature to be in this transition period, 1973-1975.

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 19, 2014 at 8:18am

I did see a few with the "M" to "u" connected, but once again they do not compare at all to yours IMHO. Here is a comparison: 

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 19, 2014 at 8:21am

Here is a comparison with a 1974 signature:

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 9:45am

No doubt authentic, but legal documents are not good for comparison purposes with likely obtained in person signatures by fans.  Legal documents are usually cleaner, neater and much better formed.

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Permalink Reply by Null on December 19, 2014 at 11:52am

I agree that legal documents are usually cleaner and neater, but once again I really don't see any similarities between the item in question and any authentic items posted in this thread.

From the very first time I clicked on this thread, I immediately thought "Whoa, that looks like a slowly signed un-natural signature". It simply does not flow and is incredibly awkward IMO. 

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 9:20am

Okay, I've looked through hundreds of examplar Munson signatures that I have on my digital library.  Although I can't match up any particular signature to this one real well, I can find bits and pieces of ones that can match almost everything.

Shown here is a 1973 signed Topps card, which I think perhaps best matches the above signature.  Note several things in comparing the 2 signatures.   First, upward slant on entire signature, very common on most Munson signatures.  Notice, the T's are very similar, although as with some Thurman's, the top and bottom part of the T are detached in the photo, but not on the card.  Both show the full name "Thurman" signature - the transition period from the early 1970's "Thurman", which looks much different to the late 1970's "Thor" type autograph.  M's are different, because again the "M" in the blue sharpie photo is atypical.  Note, though M is attached to "unson" in both.  Ending of "unson" is a bit different, but I have other samples closer to the "unson" of the blue sharpie which I will post later.  But, all in all, probably the closest to the blue sharpie photo.

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 9:26am

Here is a signed 3X5 card, presumably signed in May 1975, with another similar "Thurman" to this one.  Sorry for the low quality scan, but I don't own this and this was the resolution posted years ago by someone else.

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Permalink Reply by LymanBostock Fan on December 19, 2014 at 9:34am

I can't find any "M"'s as crazy as this one, but I can find several which aren't the full elaborate "M" or the simple straight from the top "M".   Take a look at these two Munson signed items, both not terribly different in the M from the blue sharpie photo one.

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