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Permalink Reply by Mykaphobic on March 9, 2013 at 7:54pm

That's beautiful :)

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 9, 2013 at 8:02pm

Not sure whats questionable about this card. Looks rock solid to me.

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Permalink Reply by Mykaphobic on March 9, 2013 at 8:03pm

Ok after a second look something is off. A few things actually.
I have to research before I open my big mouth but those upper deck autos did not come from a packet.

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Permalink Reply by jayko23 on March 9, 2013 at 8:03pm

real or fake? the ud doesn't show registered on their website. is this a fake ud sticker or real one?

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 9, 2013 at 8:11pm

Call UD on the phone. They will tell you if the sticker is good or not.

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Permalink Reply by Mykaphobic on March 9, 2013 at 8:26pm

1) it didn't come from a pack.

So how would upper deck be able to watch the signature of all 3 people?

Most authentic signed cards are signed on the sticker which is then stuck to the card. This is all on the card.

2) authentic signed cards from a card company usually say on the back "congratulations on your signed card etc"

This is a regular card that comes in the pack unsigned.

So was this signed at a signing and upper deck was there? With all 3 very doubtful.

3) the seller has a few of these, with Kobe and lebron as well.

Kobe signs exclusively for Pannini at the moment.

4) the seller has a lot of other signed cards which he got off a ball boy? Most of them are very questionable at best.

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Permalink Reply by jayko23 on March 9, 2013 at 8:55pm

Yeah , his story doesn't seem to stick . He's been listing autographed cards for a while now . I emailed him back and forth and he told me he was going to a golf tournament at Las Vegas and Jordan was going to be there. He now says in the auction he was planning to go to Chicago? What happened to Vegas? Also , you are right , Kobe doesn't sign for upper deck but for panini and it is very rare that both Kobe and Lebron were at the same place signing these cards and if that is the case there has to be more of these cards floating around and this is the very first and only card of lebron and kobe that I seen . The autographs looks real good but they gotta be fake. Too many questions.

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Permalink Reply by Mykaphobic on March 9, 2013 at 9:23pm

Yes a lot of the autos look good. Some also look bad. So I don't trust any. Doesn't seem to add up.

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Permalink Reply by Mykaphobic on March 9, 2013 at 9:31pm

Just got a closer look at the hologram.
It's not even an upper deck hologram!!

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Permalink Reply by Tyler Gray on March 10, 2013 at 12:00am

Wow.. after looking at his other items. Just wow, all fakes. Some of them are decent looking instead of flat out obvious, but fake nonetheless. No way MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Wilt, Russell, etc signed all those. Terrible.

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Permalink Reply by Tom Schwartz on March 10, 2013 at 12:49am

The longer the backstory and the disclaimer, the bigger the red flag for me.

Who runs down authentication companies the most? The sellers whose items wouldn't pass authentication.

"This card was given to me on consignment from a long time towel/sweeper for the NBA/Chicago Bulls. He was a major collector of Chicago Bulls items and autographs. I am going to be listing part of his collection NOW and in the near future. I was planning a trip to Chicago to look over a collection of basketball autographs and due to cold bad weather up in Chicago and I'm in sunny Florida I decided to stay down here a little longer, let Chicago thaw out a bid first :)) So I was sent THE package of basketball autographs mostly from the players of the Chicago Bulls!!!!! I am planning a trip to Chicago once it warms up a bit. Happy Bidding!!!

Below is how I feel about authentication companies and I can pull up in Google 1000's of complaints and "ripoff" reports and the major authentication companies so I refuse to use them any longer. They are more interested in the money and volume authentication as a business then whats real or fake.

Additional research taken. Upon talking with people over the last 6 months that hunt and collect autograph cards and here is what is being said to me regarding grading services and "USE YOUR EYES" and best judgement when buying an autograph. When it comes to the authentication companies such as PSA/BGS/JSA anyone and everyone that works for them was not there with the person that got the autograph. Here are some questions they stated which can determine the quality of the autograph - Was the player on the go? Did the players team loose the game that day? Was the player given you a "drive by" autograph, which is a quick sig or initials? Was the player with family, eating out, getting on a plane or in a car or busy and being mobbed with people? There is a difference between a purchased autograph with the player sitting at a table and an autograph of a player with the card in your hand on a playing field. There are many factors that determine the quality of the autograph and what makes the autograph real. P.S. players change their autograph over years of time as well as the structure the more famous they become!!!!"

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