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What is up with Substance Collectables - Milton Luban

Jason had started a thread; http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/what-is-exact-proof-...  

and like all good threads there are discussions witin discussions but this sub-discussion came up on a dealer Milton Lubin & http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1

It appears that in 2003 although the Lubans were properly served but they failed to answer the complaint.

DECISION AND ORDER
MARRERO, District Judge.
By order dated July 22, 2003, the Court authorized entry of a default judgment in favor of plaintiffs Tiffany (NJ) Inc. and Tiffany and Company (collectively, "Tiffany") and against defendants Milton and Connie Luban and their company Luban Incorp. (collectively, the "Lubans"), the proprietors of an internet site selling counterfeit Tiffany merchandise in violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1114(1), 1116(d). Upon consideration of Tiffany's written and oral evidence as to its damages, the Court awards Tiffany a judgment in the amount of $573,818.64.

 

Jason went on further in one comment;

This link is the link with the guy and the actual photo we have on files one doctored that has the guy mentioned above.

http://bertorelli.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/rocky%c2%b4s-boxing-glov...

On 17 May 2012 the guys who were building a file heard the following news : He received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings today. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo. This guy is total scum and is getting what he deserves.

The most famous website in the world for tackling fakes did a special on him here you can read it for your selfs. click the link.

I wont pu the photos yet I will leave them as aces in our hands till we have too but I believe there is enough here to make your minds up if this is true or not.

http://www.isitreal.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7...

 

Recently I received some photos that appear to have been photoshopped and were alleged to be used by Milton Lubin to promote his product offerings.  The one on the left is what has been alledged as the real one while the one on the right has been alledged as fake ones that were used as "proof" pictures.

One recent excerpt from Jason;

Ps yes DB strange here seems no one in America cares about what s going on in their door step and on of this forums own.    (sometimes Jason - it takes some extra cycles ;-)

Since I have no dogs in this fight and Milton Lubin is an AML member here as was pointed out in the intial thread above, it would be pertinent to have some feedback on these claims and allegations.

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Permalink Reply by AC on June 20, 2013 at 6:07pm
In regards to the second post on page seven,  January 25, 2013, there was a typing error- an inversion of digits.  This is the correction,
with the change in bold font
 
 
Randi Gelman
9725 64th Ave, Apt A18
Rego Park, NY 11374-2211
 
 
The address for Substance Collectables in 2007 was
 
Substance Collectables
9725 64th Ave. Apt F16
Rego Park, NY 11374
 
 
Notice that both have the same address, but different apartment numbers.
 
It appears that the senior authenticator did not want the name Milton Luban  registered with sportmemories2005 to avoid detection by ebay


management that a previously suspended user was returning to the site , in violation of ebay policy

 

Scan1 - Photo of Darren Prince with Muhammad Ali in which the senior authenticator placed Substance Collectables watermark on it,
              as if it was his photo.
 
Scan 2 
 
 
The image on left is Josh Koscheck signed boxing glove on the web-site of Substance Collectables. That appears to be a
real autograph, compared to exemplars on other web-sites,, such as CSCMemorabilia.com The image on the right is the Substance Collectables
Koscheck glove listed by Nirvana-716.
 

 

Permalink Reply by GuardDogg on June 20, 2013 at 6:32pm

Thanks to "AC" we continually get "SOLID" evidence of this scumbag Milton. If Milton put as much effort into running a legit business as he does putting together scams he might be considered a good businessman, however, it is proven over an over that he is considered to be a good "scammer".

Permalink Reply by AC on June 27, 2013 at 9:31pm

 

Scan 1
 
Frank Mir signed boxing glove on CSCMemorabilia.com web site
 
 
Scan 2
 
The same image copied and appearing on Substance Collectables web site.
 
Scan 3
 
Same autograph as above appearing on Substance Collectables where the autograph is easier to see.
 
Scan 4
 
Nirvana-716 had auctions 190822128694 and 190818906913 removed April 26, 2013 and May 4, 2013, Frank Mir signed boxing glove
as it came from the stock of the senior authenticator, it had coa Substance Collectables
 
Scan 5
 
On the left is Frank Mir signed boxing glove from web site of Substance Collectables and on the right the Frank Mir boxing glove
listed by Nirvana-716 with coa Substance Collectables.

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by GuardDogg on August 10, 2013 at 6:08am

Hey MILTON (scumbag), we all know you read these posts. Why don't you ever defend yourself here???

Permalink Reply by GuardDogg on August 12, 2013 at 3:16pm

BELOW IS A "COPY & PASTE" OF 2 PARAGRAPHS FOUND ON THE SITE OF SUBSTANCE COLLECTIBLES.  IF YOU NOTICE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT IS STATING THE COMPANIES "AUTHENTICATION IN AUCTIONS" POLICY AND THAT:

"We do not claim to have a photo of the celebrity signing the item as some sort of proof.  That is a well known trick that should be avoided "

Here is the actual complete statement directly from this companies website and the above statement is underlined:

"Authentication in Auctions: Substance Collectables does not fool around when it comes to authenticating our product. We do not print out COA's on the computer and we do not offer expired auction letters (or copies of them) from PSA or JSA. This is against both companies policies and is unethical. Please do not be fooled by those that provide copies of these letters as authentication. They are all over eBay. Yes, maybe a representative looked at a small portion of the lot and deemed the whole thing OK to auction. That is the best case scenario and you end up with an autograph that has absolutely NO authentication whatsoever. Not advocating that any of these are or are not authentic, and you may get a good autograph that may pass JSA or PSA/DNA, but the facts are that the authentication is all for not. Substance Collectables provides REAL authentication on our products. We pay a lot of money to go the extra mile to authenticate so that the item you are getting is as authentic as any in the hobby. Once in a great while a lower end signature may not be cost-effective to spend the $ to authenticate. In those rare cases we just do our very best to be sure and claim the piece to be 100% authentic. We do not claim to have a photo of the celebrity signing the item as some sort of proof. That is a well known trick that should be avoided if you are not familiar with the seller. We are always happy to answer any questions about the authenticity of the signatures that we take great pride in bringing to you. If you buy from us, you can be sure the authenticity will NEVER be in question".

 

THEN TAKEN FROM ANOTHER PART OF THIS COMPANIES WEBSITE IS THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH REFERRED TO AS "AUTHENTICITY" WHERE IT STATES:

 

"Most of our autographs also come with either a photograph from the auctual signing,"


 HERE IS THE ACTUAL COMPLETE STATEMENT FROM THIS COMPANY:

"Authenticity: All of our Autographs come with a certificate of Authenticity that Guarantees that the autograph is genuine. This is a Lifetime Guarantee. Most of our autographs also come with either a photograph from the auctual signing, security hologram, or a video from the signing, We try to attend all the signings if possible as you can see by our supplied photo's".

 

Also, in the first paragraph noted at the top in bold, taken from the site of Substance it talks about "auction house letters" and how they do not provide "expired" letters. Friends, all the expiration on a auction house letter means is that if that letter is NOT presented by that date then you do not get $10 off authentication fees...but....even further, Substance talks about how these auction house letters are not a good thing and you could get a bad item and that SUBSTANCE OFFERS REAL AUTHENTICATION????? with inference of staying clear of "auction house" letters.....below is an item taken from this companies website today. Note: the last line says the COA is an "auction house" letter from PSA/DNA:

"Muhammad Ali Autographed Color 8 x 10 photo of title of greatest sportsman: A beautiful 8 x 10 color photo of Former World Heavyweight Boxing Champion Muhammad Ali. Named the greatest sports star by Australia''s No. 1 sporting magazine Alpha.

Ali's record in professional boxing''s most competitive era has seen him get the nod ahead of cricket legend Sir Donald Bradman. Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods and Diego Maradona rounded out the top five, reports The Herald Sun."Ali was an unbelievably skilful, clever boxer who was involved in some of the biggest fights of the 20th century." A beautiful 8 x 10 color photo of Former World Heavyweight Boxing Champion Muhammad Ali. Named the greatest sports star by Australia''s No. 1 sporting magazine Alpha.

Authentication: Pre- PSA/DNA certified, Auction house".

THIS CAN BE FOUND AT THIS LINK FOR PROOF:

http://substancecollectables.com/inc/sdetail/10291/10396

AND THIS ITEM ALSO HAS AN AUCTION HOUSE LETTER:

"Muhammad Ali Signed 8 x 10 Vintage Photo of Cassius Clay: Offered here is a 1970 vintage photo of Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay. The photo shows a young and Ali with a Cassius Clay T-Shirt on, VERY RARE PHOTO!!! Ali signed this photo in blue sharpie marker, in beautiful penmanship, easily a "9-10" in quality. He autographed this in the early June 7th 1987. The photograph is in VG/EX condition, with not crease, nor sratch!

Authentication: Pre-PSA-DNA Certification and  Auction House Letter"

This can be found at this link for proof:

http://substancecollectables.com/inc/sdetail/10291/10392

WHAT IS A BUYER TO BELIEVE?????????

Permalink Reply by GuardDogg on August 12, 2013 at 3:37pm

Also, the "auction house" letter that SUBSTANCE shows with the item is a "sticker". I have never seen a sticker that is referred to as an auction house letter.

BEWARE............BEWARE............BEWARE.....

Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on August 12, 2013 at 8:56pm

I really cant believe that Milton Luban isnt in jail yet. You would think the FBI would have paid attention by now, or that the representatives of these stars would sue him. He blatantly rips off photos and attaches them to forgeries. But this thread is undoubtedly hurting him where it means the most, and saving collectors tons of money. Great job Xout, and all the other guys who keep this thread going.

Permalink Reply by AC on August 22, 2013 at 4:43am
Scans 1 and 2
 
Ebay seller sftlwill  listed auction 300940925620 Muhammad Ali jump rope. He wrote in the text:
 
 
 "This is identical to jump rope on (substance  collectables.com)" and later " I do know is they look just like another pair I  saw on substance collectibles "
 
The auction was removed on July 30, 2013.
Permalink Reply by AC on August 22, 2013 at 4:43am
 
post 17 Susan7566 February 19, 2004
 
 
Don't forget that he runs this site: finest4less.com

Everything he sold was a knock-off of Gucci, Tiffany, Polo, etc....so I sent messages to all the companies he was cheating.....and lo and behold....his site went down for a while.

Now it is back up...he has been reduced to selling panties and t-shirts. And he doesn't mention one brand name. :)

All of his contact details are on the site.....including a phone number....didn't a bunch of forum members basically shut down his phone with repetitive calls.

 
 
Guzman Gloves LLC has absolutely NO affiliation with Milton Luban or his company "Substance Collectables". He has tried to buy Guzman Gloves in the past, and there is real concern as to the authenticity of the autographs he's "obtaining".
 
 
Guzman Gloves LLC  May 27, 2013
 
Guzman Gloves LLC has absolutely NO affiliation with Milton Luban or his company "Substance Collectables". He has tried to buy Guzman Gloves in the past, and there is real concern as to the authenticity of the autographs he's "obtaining".
 
John Soria May 27, 2013
 
Those bastards!!! I got a stuff from then. I bet it's all fake!!!
 
Permalink Reply by AC on August 22, 2013 at 5:14am
Scans 1 and 2
 
 It appears that the senior authenticator registered ebay user id substancecollectables on April 24, 2007 , and it was suspended shortly afterwards, with no feedbacks.
Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on August 22, 2013 at 12:05pm

Permalink Reply by Zhong Yun on August 22, 2013 at 12:07pm
I have been reading this amazing subject for a while now very good to know all this information , I have also followed this auctions above sorry I did not know how to add the text next to the photos oups..
 
seller pooley2 listed auction 330991828534, Muhammad Ali signed boxing glove. He wrote in his text:
 
Our Deluxe Ali Glove is a fantastic collectable and comes with a Certificate of Authenticity from Substance Memorabilia (USA), who held the license for Ali signings for several years in the early 1990s.
 
The auction was removed on August 16, 2013
 
 
Then there was ,
 
seller pooley2 listed auction 330991843704, Muhammad Ali signed and framed boxing glove, He wrote:
 
Certificate of Authenticity: Yes - Substance Memorabilia
 
The auction was removed August 16, 2013.

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