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What is up with Substance Collectables - Milton Luban

Jason had started a thread; http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/what-is-exact-proof-...  

and like all good threads there are discussions witin discussions but this sub-discussion came up on a dealer Milton Lubin & http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1

It appears that in 2003 although the Lubans were properly served but they failed to answer the complaint.

DECISION AND ORDER
MARRERO, District Judge.
By order dated July 22, 2003, the Court authorized entry of a default judgment in favor of plaintiffs Tiffany (NJ) Inc. and Tiffany and Company (collectively, "Tiffany") and against defendants Milton and Connie Luban and their company Luban Incorp. (collectively, the "Lubans"), the proprietors of an internet site selling counterfeit Tiffany merchandise in violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1114(1), 1116(d). Upon consideration of Tiffany's written and oral evidence as to its damages, the Court awards Tiffany a judgment in the amount of $573,818.64.

 

Jason went on further in one comment;

This link is the link with the guy and the actual photo we have on files one doctored that has the guy mentioned above.

http://bertorelli.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/rocky%c2%b4s-boxing-glov...

On 17 May 2012 the guys who were building a file heard the following news : He received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings today. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo. This guy is total scum and is getting what he deserves.

The most famous website in the world for tackling fakes did a special on him here you can read it for your selfs. click the link.

I wont pu the photos yet I will leave them as aces in our hands till we have too but I believe there is enough here to make your minds up if this is true or not.

http://www.isitreal.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7...

 

Recently I received some photos that appear to have been photoshopped and were alleged to be used by Milton Lubin to promote his product offerings.  The one on the left is what has been alledged as the real one while the one on the right has been alledged as fake ones that were used as "proof" pictures.

One recent excerpt from Jason;

Ps yes DB strange here seems no one in America cares about what s going on in their door step and on of this forums own.    (sometimes Jason - it takes some extra cycles ;-)

Since I have no dogs in this fight and Milton Lubin is an AML member here as was pointed out in the intial thread above, it would be pertinent to have some feedback on these claims and allegations.

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Permalink Reply by AC on July 11, 2016 at 4:06am
Scans 1-3
 
mikdinal0 listed 112041623445, Muhammad Ali signed and framed boxing glove. It was from the stock
of the senior authenticator, it has coa Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removed on
July 1, 2016.
Permalink Reply by AC on July 11, 2016 at 4:08am
Scans 1-6
 
ballboy660 listed on 122030176114 Muhammad Ali signed glove, Muhammad  Ali signed robe, and
Muhammad Ali signed and framed trunks. They came from the stock of the senior authenticator,
they had coas from Substance Collectables, and accordingly was removed on July 2, 2016
Permalink Reply by AC on July 11, 2016 at 4:10am
Scan 1
 
lunar_2015 listed Floyd Mayweather signed  and framed boxing  glove, it was from the stock of the
senior authenticator, it came from Substance Collectables and accordingly was
removed May 17, 2015.
Permalink Reply by AC on July 11, 2016 at 4:12am
Scan 1
 
whoppa13 listed 122040154137, Muhammad Ali signed and framed boxing glove. It was from the stock of
the senior authenticator , it came from Substance Collectables, and accordingly it was removed on
July 9, 2016.
Permalink Reply by AC on July 22, 2016 at 10:21pm
seller lanbiar87 listed 322192871909, Muhammad Ali AKA Cassius Clay signed and framed boxing glove.
It was from the stock of the senior authenticator, it has coa Substance Collectables, and accordingly
it was removed on July 16, 2016. The senior authenticator never had a signing with Muhammad Ali.
Permalink Reply by AC on July 22, 2016 at 10:26pm
Scan 1
 
Belushi ad of Mayweather Pacquiao fight to be shown at their locations
 
Scan 2
 
Belushi ad copied by senior authenticator and used for Substance Collectabes website
 
Scan 3
 
from auction of Elite Sports Marketing  of Angelo Dundee  signed boxing glove , which included their photo of  Dundee signing for them
 
Scan 4
 
The senior authenticator copied the ESM photo,placed the Substance Collectables watermark on it,
as if was his photo, and used  it to promote his website,
Permalink Reply by AC on July 26, 2016 at 4:05am
Scan 1
 
text from auction of March 13, 2007 for Floyd Mayweather signed boxing glove coa Major League Autographs
 
Scan 2
 
image of the Major League Autographs Mayweather glove and their proof shot
 
scan 3
 
The senior authenticator copied the proof shot and placed Substance Collectables watermark on it,
as if it was his photo.
 
Scan 4
 
ebay auction from April 20, 2007 Floyd Mayweather signed boxing glove coa Substance Collectables.
The image shows  the id to be sportmemories, that would be sportmemories2005. Notice that
the  senior authenticator used the Major League Autographs proof shot for the auction.
 
Scan 5
 
comparison of Floyd Mayweather glove PSA/DNA to Floyd Mayweather glove Substance Collectables
Permalink Reply by AC on July 31, 2016 at 3:29am
Scan 1
 
The fifth scan from the prior post on Mayweather was comparison of a different  Mayweather glove
of Substance Collectables, sold by a different id,  boxingchamp2000 ,in November, 2007,who was
suspended  that month. A more  complete  image of that glove shown here. On that auction,the senior authenticator
also used the Major League Autographs proof shot.
 
Scan 2
 
comparison of the April 20, 2007 Mayweather glove of  the prior post of sportmemories2005,
coa Substance Collectables  to PSA/DNA. It sold for a whopping $ 128.00.
Permalink Reply by AC on July 26, 2016 at 4:07am
Scan 1
 
id sportmemories2005 listed auction 270108948351 Oscar De La Hoya signed boxing glove. It had a coa from Substance
Collectables and sold on April 20, 2007 for a whopping $ 78.99.
 
Scan 2
 
Oscar De La Hoya signed boxing glove PSA/DNA
 
Scan 3
 
comparison of Substance Collectables glove to PSA/DNA glove.
id sportmemories2005 was suspended in June, 2007.
Permalink Reply by AC on August 20, 2016 at 3:50pm

Scan 1

sportmemories2005  listed Evander Holyfield signed boxing glove on auction ended April 20, 2007.
 
Scan 2
 
The glove was from the stock of the senior authenticator, it had coa Substance Collectables
 
Scan 3
 
Holyfield signed glove PSA/DNA
 
Scan 4
 
comparison Holyfield glove PSA/DNA to Substance Collectables
 
Scans 5 and 6
 
sportmemories2005  listed Sylvester Stallone signed boxing glove on auction ended May 1, 2007.
It was from the stock of the senior authenticator, it had coa Substance Collectables.
 It has been looked at by an authority on Stallone's signature and has been opined to be a fake.
Permalink Reply by AC on August 20, 2016 at 3:52pm

scans 1  and 2

rustay38  listed 122076442742, Muhammad Ali signed and framed robe,. It came from the stock of the senior authenticator,
it was from Substance Collectables and accordingly it was removed on  August 10, 2016. 
 
Scan 3
 
fake coa which reads that it was part of a limited edition of sixty one robes  secured by one of
Ali's former managers
Permalink Reply by AC on August 20, 2016 at 4:08pm

can 1

fake Muhammad Ali trunks of Substance Collectables listed on  sportmemories2005  May, 2007
The senior authenticator  used copyrighted photos on the auction page.sportmemories2005 
was suspended in June, 2007.
Scan 2
Associated Press photo copied and used by senior authenticator for above auction.
Scan 3
fake Muhammad Ali robe  of Substance Collectables listed by greatmemorabilia1997   in August, 2007
The proof shot was copied from the auctions of ebay seller forgetthegouge. greatmemorabilia1997  
was suspended in October, 2007.
 
Scan 4
 
 rustay38 listed on 122076442742 Muhammad Ali signed and framed robe. It was from the stock of the
senior authenticator,  it came from Substance Collecables and removed August 10, 2016.
taylormadememorabilia  listed same item on  112060998830, removed August 11, 2016.
 
Scan 5
 
The fake coa for both auctions read that the robe was part of a limited edition of sixty one secured by
a former Ali manager.

 

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