According to the Courthouse News Service, Mr. Daniel Odobas has filed a lawsuit against Antiquities Of Nevada (Toby Stoffa), Drew Max (Authentic Autographs Unlimited) and Stephen Rocchi (Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators for "Fraud, Deceptive, Trade, Misrepresentation, Unjust Enrichment, Conspiracy, Bad Faith, Breach Of Contract and Breach Of Warranty."
Immediately below are links to the story.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2016/08/30/vegas-memorabilia-house-accused-of-fraud.htm
In my opinion, this was a long time coming.
Drew Max of Authentic Autographs Unlimited, gives himself the title of Forensic Document Examiner (FDE).
What in the world does "Forensics" have anything to do with autographs?
Very, very rarely in my opinion.
I don't know of any Forensic Document Examiner who knows sports or music autographs
It is also important to know that COAs and LOAs issued by Forensic Document Examiners or by authentication companies that use them, are much less likely to be genuine.
I have yet to see an authentic autograph of Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio or Ted Williams with a COA from Drew Max (AAU).
Not one.
Just below is a link to a thread I wrote on Drew Max and one of his performances on the Pawn Stores show as he Forensically Examined an FDR "Letter To Clergy."
Then, of course, there is Stephen Rocchi and his Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators (GFA) group.
In the six years since Rocchi started GFA, I have yet to see one authentic Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio autograph with a COA from GFA (Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators).
Also, since when does a Forensic Examination only cost $25.00?
Rocchi does all of the below for $25.00 and still can't get it right.
From Rocchi's website. Seriously?
You do not need "Forensics" to determine if an autograph is authentic or not.
http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/roger-maris-forgeries-on-ebay-stephen-rocchi-gfa
Just below is a typical Mickey Mantle forgery on a baseball with a COA from Stephen Rocchi and Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators.
It can be opined in less than one second as a forgery.
What is Rocchi thinking when he issues a COA for the below Mantle forgery?
Rocchi (Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators) has certed dozens of the below set of Mickey Mantle/Roger Maris forgeries on a reproduced Safe At Home poster.
A real authenticator would laugh and dismiss this garbage in a millisecond, but Rocchi has certed dozens of these as authentic.
These are, at best, laughable.
When will all of this "Forensic" madness finally end?
Rick Meyer
Sep 5, 2016
J.Seah
I hope there is a class action against these fraudsters. A friend of mine got scammed $2300 by Antiquities Las Vegas about 6 months ago with a fake James Bond's autographs set.
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
as word gets out about this, more people that got screwed will come forward.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Excellent point, Rick, about John House and AtAuction.
It's where it all started!!!
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
It is such a shame that so many people who are just plain scum bags infiltrate our great hobby. For some people it is only about $$$ and they will do crooked things without batting an eye and hope they do not get caught. Hopefully this law suit will act as a deterrent to future scum bags.
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
I couldn't agree more, Richard. But the penalty has to be strong enough to be a deterrent. otherwise, it becomes a risk/reward issue and the rewards with these scumbags, win out. They have to be hit with serious financial penalties and jail time for it to make any difference.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Looks like Ebay seller Rbisportsinc is still selling GFA-certed forgeries.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=fa&_ssn=rbisportsinc&h...
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
This lawsuit is great news. Daniel Odobas is a hero for filing this suit. Just a clarification: I
A clarification: While at least one of the articles says Antiquities' owner Toby Stoffa was personally sued, she's not listed in the court records I saw as a defendant. Stephen Rocchi and Drew Max were personally sued, however:
https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1...
Sep 5, 2016
Don Webster
I've been in Toby's shop many times...and have had many occasions to talk with her and say hello. And while I'm no expert it was painfully obvious to me what they were up to...
I am in no way surprised that she is about to be challenged...
I hope the plaintiff has deep pockets (I suspect he does) and the patience to see this through...
I wish him well...
Sep 5, 2016
Bill Fraser
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
I did not realize the Toby referred to was a woman. So nice to see that autograph thievery is an equal opportunity employer :(. I hope she gets financially ruined in this lawsuit. We can only hope this guy is really, really angry and wants his pound of flesh from all these crooks.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
Seeing that some of these thieves are personally sued puts a song in my heart. Hit the thieves where it hurts, right in the $$$$$.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
I have always had great disdain for Ted Taylor and Chris Morales, but Rocchi and Drew Max are in front now.
Think of the tens of thousands of forgeries certed by Rocchi and Drew Max.
Those guys make me sick!!!!
Sep 5, 2016
Don Webster
Toby is a lady alright....in fact a grandmother 6 times over...
She has a Facebook page if anyone cares to look...
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
Not something I particularly enjoy saying but they should rot in hell. They are no better than a guy with a gun who sticks up a gas station.
Sep 5, 2016
BallroomDays67
He apparently purchased one of Antiquities' notorious Doors "signed" Morrison Hotel LPs, of which they seem to have an unlimited supply. I've only seen one authentically signed Morrison Hotel, and it was signed only by Jim on the inside gatefold.
Sep 5, 2016
Rick Meyer
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Please note that from time-to-time, I will adding content to the original body of this thread.
Sep 5, 2016
BallroomDays67
Do you think Drew Max will bring that giant magnifying glass to court as evidence?
Sep 5, 2016
Joe W.
I hope no one is counting their chickens before they hatch. Could be an out of court settlement when all is said an done. At least, there is more ammunition is use to convince the skeptics the real truth.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Joe, you make a good point.
If there is an "Out of Court Settlement," then the same crap will continue.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
An out of court settlement will almost certainly involve silence among all parties. We will never know what has happened. Remember forensic examiner carries weight in a courtroom. Hobby expert carries less weight in some courtrooms. Even though we in the hobby know the real truth the court does not. Hopefully the plaintiff will be able to show the real truth of what these scum bags really are and how they have stolen so much $$$.
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
then they should be beaten at their own game. prove "forensically" that the crap photos they have been peddling were printed after the death of Mantle, Dimaggio etc.
Sep 5, 2016
michael phillips
Chris,
Thanks for posting and thanks for all the members replies.
I just hope this case is a winner and deters future scammers and gives people who love the autograph collecting hobby belief to come together and route out these people. Its a process that takes time and determination but its well worth the effort.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
That can happen. Jimmy Spence and I were jointly sued by a forensic, many years ago. We retained our own forensic for one particular item that was totally bogus.
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
the number of GFA Mantle and Dimaggio listings on ebay is WAY down, and the bid activity and prices are ridiculously low. The sellers are getting concerned and the buyers are getting smarter. how stupid do you have to be to invest in something where having it certified actually LOWERS the value of the item?
Sep 5, 2016
Steve
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
The "Forensic" list continues; Nicholas Burczyk (there is no proof he actually examined any Mantle, DiMaggio, Williams, etc. autographs), Chris "I Never Saw An Autograph I Didn't Like" Morales, Drew Max and Rocchi.
Rocchi took over "authenticating" for John House and AtAuction after House dumped Morales, Max and Ted Taylor.
They are all peas from the same pod.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Steve, I have every intention on keeping this thread alive.
I still own items (forgeries) that I purchased from John House & AtAuction. I still have them in their original UPS packaging.
I have kept them like that for a reason.
That reason may be soon.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Terrier, I do not believe that the "buyers are getting smarter."
I believe the market for that crap (forgeries certed by Rocchi and GFA) is now saturated.
The delusional who buy those forgeries, simply do not need any more for their so-called "autograph collection."
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
but there are always new buyers out there.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Yes, of course, and that is the reason why prices for that garbage continues to spiral downward.
The previous market is saturated.
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
I hope they depose GFA's FDE John Goraczyk. His testimony should be the most interesting
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Great you brought that up, Steve.
Another so-called FDE who knows nothing about sports autographs.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
Chris,, you say there is no proof Burczyk ever examined any of those forgeries. You worded that wrong. There is no proof that Burczyk ever existed except in the mind of the Florida criminals. For all we know possibly like the new authenticator for CC East Coast Authenticators, it could be a total figment of the crooks imaginations.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
That's a good point, Rich.
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Here's a link to AAU's Facebook Fan Page. All sorts of revealing posts. Dig in and you may notice that they may not like us:
https://www.facebook.com/Authentic-Autographs-Unlimited-15764311093...
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Drew Max (AAU):
http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blogs/forged-autographs-...
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
check out his April 1, 2014 post (reply). It seems he also has the ability to predict the future.
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
When you add things to the blog, Chris, please post a comment letting us know what it is so we know to take a look. Thanks
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
On Max's FB page, Terrier? I couldn't find it.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
Okay, Steve.
Sep 5, 2016
terrier8HOF
Steve, yes, its on his FB page.I just emailed it to you.
Sep 5, 2016
Steve Cyrkin, Admin
Thanks, Terrier. They certainly don't like us here. They warn people about us.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
I would be extremely upset if they liked us. This is war, we don't like the enemy. They are the enemy.
Sep 5, 2016
Richard S. Simon
The enemy must lose this war. There is a chance now to take a huge step to clean up this business and rid it of this vermin. Hopefully this lawsuit will go to completion.
Sep 5, 2016
CJCollector
It is certainly a "badge of honor" to have Drew Max not like us.
Sep 5, 2016
Mike T
Interesting that Drew Max was using his Pawn Stars fame to sell his services, I wonder if the Pawn Stars legal team will get involved in that. We can only hope.
Sep 6, 2016
Steve Zarelli
@Mike T
The same way GFA uses Rocchi's past experience with PSA to add credibility. Kind of surprising the PSA legal team isn't all over that with cease & desist orders.
Sep 6, 2016
Richard S. Simon
Jimmy Spence left PSA to form his own company. I don't think they had any non compete clause in his contract,, or maybe he had something on them :).. So I don't think they have anything with Rocchi that would prevent him from saying he was with PSA.
Sep 6, 2016