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Rock and Roll Collection Concerns [Title revised by moderator]

I see this site brought up a lot on this site for autograph references.

http://www.rockandrollcollection.com/

problem is, who ever this Stephan is he has a load of forgeries up here too. I get messages from people from time to time saying he has offered to sell a member here an item or two and it is never the real stuff imo, it is usually the fake stuff. Greed. He wants money but doesn't want to part with the good stuff.

Eagles are his most famous work. Attached is a screen shot of his fake work (not limited too). Notice how they are the same..... duh. If you look through his stuff he has loads of fake Zeppelin, Beatles, Springsteen, Stones, Floyd and more. Even the so called authentic Traveling Wilbury's is not real. Maybe the George and Petty are ok but 100% not the Lynne and I'm pretty sure the Dylan is bogus also. Anyway, I don't wish to debat about this guy and his ethics but if you are using him a reference be careful and I wouldn't buy anything from the guy either.

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 9, 2015 at 11:20am

Here are the two side by side:

My main concern with the Henley's are that I haven't seen an example with the D looping into the o from the bottom with the straight angle H into the e. Henley also tends to have curvature to his n's. It's also rare to see him bring the end of his 'y' up even with the baseline of the other letters. But it's the same in every example:

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Permalink Reply by 2t7o4rndea2r0 on December 10, 2015 at 6:45am

Mike - I think the confusion on this comparison with the Henley on the guitar Roger posted has to do with what the problem was supposed to be to begin with. I thought the main issue that concerned you was the Y. Roger may have thought the same thing, so he posts the guitar image with a Y similar to what people were concerned about, and your reply was that the D is actually the problem for you.

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 10, 2015 at 6:59am

My problem is all three characteristics in one signature. I can not find another signature that matches the same style as the one I posted, yet all of Mr. Duncan's questionable examples have those 3 traits.

You have the D with the bottom loop into the top of the o, the straight angle bar from the bottom of the H into the e, and the complete y that is brought up even on the baseline with the rest of the letters. The y is probably the most obvious, Henley tends to trail off on the y and not complete it.. and even when you examine letters containing his handwriting, he never brings his y up even with the rest of the letters.

You can post signatures that have 1 trait, sure, but that does nothing to prove these are authentic. To prove they are authentic you need to find the exact same style of signature, with all the traits mentioned, consistent with Mr. Duncan's signatures.

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Permalink Reply by 2t7o4rndea2r0 on December 10, 2015 at 7:53am

So you think the 2008 Heritage Auction photo posted by Steve is bad too?

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 10, 2015 at 8:04am

Yes, I think all of the origin of all those photos is the same, they are all signed exactly the same way, same placement, same style signatures. Stephen has 2 of them on his website that are part of the lot we are concerned about.

Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 9, 2015 at 11:21am

Here are the two side by side:

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 9, 2015 at 11:54am

Here are the Frey's:

Again, I've never seen an example where the 'l' is aligned straight up with the 'g', he finishes the 'g' and goes into the 'l' at an angle, just like most people would write those letters. But the examples from Mr. Duncan's site share this same characteristic with the straight 'l' and angled 'F'. I've only seen it consistent with other items on his site.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 9, 2015 at 12:36pm

Eagles signed Collected Works Heritage, from Joe Walsh Collection:

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Permalink Reply by 2t7o4rndea2r0 on December 10, 2015 at 7:00am

Referring to the 2003 Heritage contract that Steve posted, here's an interesting question; if you saw an Eagles LP signed with that Glenn Frey and that Bernie Leadon and that Randy Meisner, what would your automatic reaction be? Especially if say only one from the above set, the Frey for example, was included and the rest looked more traditional. My guess is it would be rejected outright. I've never seen a Glenn Frey with an F like that. Yet, here it is. This is what makes this process so difficult and uncertain.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 9, 2015 at 12:18pm

Here's a PSA/DNA Henley dated 1993:

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on December 9, 2015 at 12:53pm

Thanks Steve, this is pretty consistent with my points, when he does loop into the o its from the top of the D into the top of the o or the bottom of the D into the bottom of the o, not the bottom of the D into the top of the o, and his Y doesn't come back up to the baseline. Also note the curvature in the n's.