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Muhammad Ali signed robe - is it genuine?

ebay item number 261236770991    muhammad ali signed robe. the seller told me it was signed in 2003.  is it genuine ?  thanks,  James

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on July 12, 2013 at 2:47pm

I just hope you are able to get your money back James. Or if you havent paid, then i would advise against doing so. To me it doesnt look authentic at all, and as the others have stated, this piece could really never be authenticated, even if real, b/c of the signature and surface. If you had to resale it in the future i imagine, even if authentic, that you would have a very very hard time trying to find a buyer, probably even at half the price the seller was asking. IN any event i dont think this is authentic.

Permalink Reply by james jackson on July 12, 2013 at 2:59pm

Ok  I HAVE this item's coa name  now..  it has a SMA  coa    ..  sports memorabilia authenticators  loa with picture of item on the letter....     James ..  anyone heard of SMA ?

Permalink Reply by AC on July 14, 2013 at 1:34am
James unfortunately it sounds like you want someone to say its real to let you feel like you haven't been ripped off but you won't hear it because the robe is a fake.
Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on July 14, 2013 at 9:59am

In my opinion not authentic.

Permalink Reply by james jackson on July 14, 2013 at 1:10pm

Sandra Rose's picture of autograph of muhammad ali looks off to me....  sandra's who certified this item ? it does not look real to me..  James

Permalink Reply by Sandra Rose on July 14, 2013 at 3:41pm

The Ali photo was an in-person autograph with photographic proof that he signed it. I bought it from Bryan at Signaturelibrary.com. He has more Ali examples on his website.

Permalink Reply by james jackson on July 14, 2013 at 1:12pm

I AM KEEPING  the robe i bought for $500.. with loa it has already from SMA,  it still should bring a high dollar in 10-20 years from now..  i bet then i could sell it for  $1,000  or more...    James

Permalink Reply by Barry S on July 14, 2013 at 1:53pm
James I have a fake Ali I bought 11 years ago for $450. Ill take $900 if you want it.
Permalink Reply by Null on July 15, 2013 at 7:04am

Wow. Just wow.

Permalink Reply by james jackson on July 14, 2013 at 1:17pm

travis and psa said not genuine... however shawn anderson could not render an opinion and said it could be REAL or it could not be real..  so basically its a coin toss  on the authenticity of this item..  James

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 15, 2013 at 6:05pm
James,

As I said, I'm not an authority on Muhammad Ali, but I think that PSA/DNA, Travis, and all the members here who said the signature on the robe is not genuine in their opinion are right. Two of the reasons I told you the other day that I was concerned about it are that the right slant of the lettering tilts atypically far and I've never seen a known genuine "Ali" that looked like the one in yours--the "A" particularly.

Other things that would raise concern with experienced collectors would be that the COA isn't pictured or named, which is against eBay policy and suspicious, and that the price was ridiculously low...with the excuse that he's selling it cheap to get his costs back on the deal.

Now some things are sold cheap, but something as easy to sell as an Ali autograph--especially a signed robe--is virtually never sold stupidly cheap by someone who knows what Ali-signed memorabilia is worth.

And keep in mind that legitimate authentication has become more reliable over time. You'd already have an extremely hard time getting a reputable autograph or sports auction house to accept your robe on consiginment--you probably could only get a less careful one to accept it. In a few years, it will be even harder if not impossible.

Right now, you would be covered by eBay's buyer protection plan, as long as you bought it through the site with PayPal. They'd take the PSA/DNA Quick Opinion of likely not genuine you already have as adequate proof. Once that protection period is over, you're out of luck.
Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 15, 2013 at 7:10pm
2 opinions with one being PSA saying likely not genuine and a third stating he couldn't render an opinion is far from a coin toss. PSA as bad as conspiracy theorist have to say about them they actually do a good job with Ali signatures.

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