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Authenticity is Everything
Have you guys heard of canadagraphs?
They have several once upon a time cast members and a signed picture with multiple cast members.
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Permalink Reply by Jason on
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Don't even start to attack me for just joining; I have been collecting for over 10 years. Also, FYI I am not friends with Canadagraphs. Over the years we have got into fights and whatnot because just like he said, he is an argumentative person. I just think that what all ov you are saying from behind your computer screens is not fair to him.
To answer your question, no the autographs on his cast piece are NOT signed by "the same hand". You all can compare these signatures to ones you find online, but I can tell you 100% that the signatures are real and signed by the actors themselves. How do I know this you ask? Because I have met all of the same actors and have got their signatures in person MYSELF and they are exactly the same. can you all say that?
Let me ask you all a question, how many of you have actually gone out in public and got autographs from a celebrity? Not to mention getting multiples signed, snapped exact proof ect? Simple question, I want you to give a answer to this.
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Permalink Reply by Null on
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Please post pictures of your cast signed items of OUAT.
To be clear, I don't give a s*** about what you do in your spare time, whether that be hound celebrities, or watch a movie. I am focusing SPECIFICALLY ON THE SIGNATURES, something that Canadagraphs, yourself, and Sam, all seem to avoid and detract from.
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Permalink Reply by wascher on
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Jason I too would like to see your cast signed items-it could be important to the discussion.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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I probably shouldn't be throwing my hat in this ring at this point, but, for what it's worth, I have a hunch that I know who Jason is. If I'm correct, he is a completely legit voice in this hobby.
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For argument's sake let me clear this up.
1. Initial post is questioning a "Once Upon A Time" cast signed 8x10 sold by CanadaGraphs
2. Myself and others have questioned the authenticity of this item, as it appears to be signed by the same hand (in several of ours opinions) *I am not a "Once Upon A Time" expert by any means, however IMO there are tons of red flags that these were signed by the same hand.3. Upon further investigation I found several items on CanadaGraph 's site for sale, were identical to those being sold by eBay seller outlook_hobbies.
4. After comparing these, I have noticed the same penstrokes from the "OUAT" poster show up in nearly all of outlaw_hobbies "autographs" for sale.
*I have posted several examples of the same letter formation/penstrokes being used on multiple athlete/celebrity "autographs" being offered by eBay seller outlaw_hobbies
*eBay seller outlaw_hobbies could potentially have a "mixed-bag" of fakes/authentics, but it is in IMHO (and others) that this seller has tons of forgeries.
At this point I would like to see:
*100% authentic exemplars of "OUAT" cast
*Opinions on eBay seller outlaw_hobbies
*Opinions on the penstroke examples I have posted.
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Permalink Reply by Canadagraphs Collectibles on
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1 - yes initial post did ask about it. I replied, quite cordially to those inquiries. Topic was DEAD for several months.....then someone decided to respond, I replied to them, and that SHOULD have been the end....but no, it wasn't.
2- you, yourself & Rocky got ripped on whatever beverage gets you into an drunk internet rage, and decided to pick on someone. Guess I was the 1st target you found, and instead of backing off once you realized you were wrong, dug your hole deeper, to the point your opinion will never be taken seriously again 7 many of those you "helped" in the past will now doubt your help. You've ruined your rep, in 1 thread, all because you guys didn't want to admit when you were proven wrong.....repeatedly. You are right on 1 part, you are certainly no Once Upon A Time expert, or an autograph expert, or an expert at admitting defeat, and I am sure 1000s of other things.
3- We live in the same city. get the same celebs often, often at the same time. I'd be more concerned if 1 of us had items that DIDNT look like the others. Do you think celebs sign differently for me than him? I'm confused.
4- Actually no. In fact you proved quite the opposite. All you proved so far is both his & my Lee Arenbergs look the same, and so does autograph worlds, and a CERTIFIED OUT OF A PACK autograph. Thanks for building my case.
* How many autographs does OH have? 5000? 10000? More?? How many different ways can you think of to sign a D, J or an L? I would expect quite a few of those to be minimally similar in design, but as you proved with your collage, when you look at angle, slant, curves, straight parts, they are pretty much quite different. In most of those cases, so different any idiot with moderate brain function could see it...but not you.
* I'm not going thru how ever many thousands of graphs OH has up. What I do know, all his Vancouver celebs, TIFF, Sundance, and hockey stuff are legit.
* Feel free to look at exemplars of OUAT cast - I encouraged you to do that AT THE BEGINNING... but you didn't.
* Opinions, or facts? Because as we have seen here, most of the opinions people have here, tend to follow other peoples, and in the unscientific collection group that is this thread that leads to 100% of those being wrong.
* Did YOU READ MY REBUTTAL TO THAT??? I've literally asked like 4 times. No effin clue what page its on, several pages ago for sure. But I replied to Rocky when he finally explained what your little circle map meant (even though I knew, I was wanting to hear someone say it just so I was sure.. that's called getting FACTS before coming to a conclusion).Anyways, this is my last reply to you or your alter ego as I am sure even when I get the video verification, you'll argue how they "sounded" in it & that they were trying to send a hidden message with their words.
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Do you know why they are the same? Because the actor signed them all that why.
Ryan - you still never answered my question. Have YOU actually hounded a celebrity and got their signature in person?
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I have obtained tons of autographs IP, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with why this cast "signed" OUAT looks like a same hand forgery and furthermore, why those penstrokes match up IDENTICALLY with some of outlaw_hobbies "signed" items.
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I am asking if you have ever hounded becasue if you had you ould know what real signatures look like from these specific celebrities, the ones on the above specifi photo. you can sit there all day long and look for graphs to compare it to, but in reality, the only way to really know is to compare the signatures to your own collection. Also, I am at my day job so I wont be posting photos as they are at home. I don't know why you think this piece is all signed by one person. I can clearly see that they are all different. anyway, I'm done with this thread. I have given my opinion. good luck to you all, instead of sitting at a computer calling out real collectors as being fake, why not just cut out the middleman and get them yourself. Good luck.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on
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Oh crap I have been away for months lol having a break from this and been taking down a few bad apples in the UK nice and quiet, and then a good friend asked me for my advise.
I am not gonna defend anyone on here, but I would like to say who the people are that are been questioned or doubted etc.
The easy one is Jason above , He is possibly in the top 10 Toronto hounds he has been doing it a long time, he was a collector up untill maybe 2 years ago and he then started to sell , he has a proper job so this is kinda of a 2nd if that. Is he honest ? Yes he is no problem there. Is he friends with Canada(John) no he is not actually this 2 guys go into twitter wars very often just for fun etc.
Who is CanadaG ? , Well I know John might get offended a little but what am gonna say I hope he understands its not an attack etc . Canada G is John he is from Vancouver he is a bit of an ODD BALL as you americans would say. He has a lot of problems and communication might be his biggest I know him only through TORONTO FILM FESTIVAL I see him every september there and NO we are not Friends but not enemies I know of him though. John can be called many things but what I do know is that he spends 75% of his life in Vancouver streets if anyone wanted to know what is filmed there and when or were to get a guy from Arrow or fringe believe it or not he is your man , His looks or his personality is not great but hey we all have our faults some more than others. I know this might be taken as an offence by john but he comes across as a little disabled at times and I really dont think he will be capable of doing tones of fakes etc, I dont know him well enough to know if he does or not , but when you meet this guy you wont think that he does . While 90% of you have a life etc this guy his life is the streets of Vancouver and the tv shows there , I know he knows a lot of those b actors as many of our friends talk about it often.
He is not a big time dealer either , We go to a film festival and we get maybe 300 to 500 he struggles to get 100 at best, He is an IP hound this I know and most of you know who I am .
I believe because John is crap and communication he became his own worst enemie on here and made this into a book because he does not know how else to approach or react when been asked, Trust me the same thing could happen with him for something more simple like asking to go and buy a tim hortons bagel lol
Once again I am not taking sides but a few people asked me to comment so I decided too, even though I dont want too as having a break from all this online wars.
Every one knows I hate fakers and I want the death penalty for those people , I am poor because am honest and that's a lot of other honest folks out there but hey it's life we cant all invent facebook.
Now in regards to Outlaw H , Once again he is an In person Collector he has been doing for a very long time and does TIFF every year goes to LA loads , does sundance and even graffed in London etc
He does all the tv stuff as John does , But the difference is he has a better bussiness sence and buys from a few trusted people he feels are good source for some items that he cant obtain. Once again this is natural in this game as you all know when people start to get a little big they need a hand.
The problem is John did not help himself by the way he spoke , But put passion and stupidity in a blender and I guess you get what you got from him.
I really am not sure if I helped anyone or not and to be honest I did not came to , I just wanted to make this debate a little more factual as its now easier to speak about some one when you know a little more about them that's all.
Most of you know me and you know I try my best to be civil and try to always help anyone who needs my help even if that gets me in the s*** lol.
I have a few autographs from that tv show too a lot actually but not obtained by neither of the people in question so if anyone wants to compare you are more than welcomed too if this helps.
My advise now to John is dude chill out take each question one by one and stay on the subject and be civil with your reply instead of going on the attack and creating a fence around you.
And to the rest of you , I know deep down we all want the same thing I dont blame you as I myself have done this many times on here and on acaf were I am still one of the moderators.
The problem is this industry is so s*** that we sometimes doubt even our best friends , Shame but true its a fecked up hobby or bussiness and this ebay is the cancer of it all.
All the best Guys
Jason Thanos
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