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Authenticity is Everything
STUDY: Jerry Lee Lewis - TTM real or not real
Steve asked me to start a new thread since some were having a lot of issues with regards to whether or not the through the mail autographs of Jerry Lee Lewis are real or not. I will post some examples of what we have been getting recently and some know in person examples. These TTM signatures are not cheap. You have to pay $50 for them to his box office box. The question is are they real or not. Roger has said that he has never seen Mr. Lewis sign this way and it looks to perfect - like a woman's signature.
Please post your thoughts here and examples.
thanks
Mark
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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on
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Update - sort of...
The ones I got sent to me the second time - passed JSA - fyi
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Permalink Reply by Chad B on
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Good for you Mark. I think all would agree this is a great item with a nice inscription and a well placed signature.
Did you do a basic cert or a full LOA? How long did the authentication process take?
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I got it done on site in Raleigh this past weekend. JSA was at a show. Also It was just a basic cert and NOW up on the wall it goes! :)
Again - I really appreciate everyones input in this discussion.
Mark
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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Congrats. The question is whether or not the ones that were characterized as secretarials would pass JSA. I believe they would.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on
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Thats a great graph and IMO, it still looks different than the recent ones just posted with the squiggle. I would feel better about those if this one had the squiggle. Its strangely absent and the signature itself looks a lot more like the IPs I have obtained (just a bit neater). This is the one you asked for after your letter to Judith?
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Correct - this is the one I ask for along with the letter stating that we had issues with the ones we were currently getting and if she could please take care of me. Which she did! :)
So my question is - WHY is this one so different that the ones with the line underneath and after asking her to redo it. That is the question my friends!?
Mark
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You don’t see a resemblance between these two? Obviously, the slant of the “L” varies. Compare the formations of the bottom of the respective “L”s in “Lee.” Very similar. Also, both signatures show the connected “RY”. Notice how the signature you received shows the combination of two different styles of “E” in "Lee", just like some of earlier TTM signatures. Both show a more rounded “E” followed by an unusual, thin “E”. Both trail off after the "W".
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Ballroom and Mark Roberts, I would argue the following is even closer. These were signed by the same hand. The similarity is down to even the finest details such as the slight downstroke at the end of the "J" formation. If you don't agree please let me know what I am missing? Thanks
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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on
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This discussion was referred to me in a private message this afternoon. It was incredible to say the least. I hope that you all did not mind my replying to some of the comments that were posted in the discussion weeks ago. I simply felt compelled to reply as I read through the forty-six pages of story. In the end, the verdict still appears to be out on this topic. I certainly can appreciate the difficulty of all parties reaching the same conclusion. I was also very interested to see how both Roger and Ballroom came to such opposing conclusions. They are both very well-respected members of the music autograph community. Great job as always Steve.
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Thanks, Mike. Based on his last two posts in this discussion, I'm not sure that Roger still holds the same opinion. It’s a shame that there hasn’t been a more solid resolution to this issue considering the seriousness of some of the accusations and the potential consequences of having so many TTM JLL autographs called into question.
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I have always respected both of your opinions whenever it came to music autographs. I think that the two of you may agree more often than you realize. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not convinced that every example that was posted in this discussion is typical of the autograph of Jerry Lee Lewis. I am sure that there are explanations for the inconsistencies.
I would also like to say that while I was reading through the forty-six pages of discussion last night, I was reminded of the reason why this website was created from the beginning. The last time that I recall Roger volunteering his services to members in such a way was two years ago when I first became a member of AML. It was then that he gave us all a tutorial on Michael Jackson autographs. It was just as fascinating to read through his analysis then as it was to read through his and your analysis last night. Thank you for your time Ballroom, and thank you as well Roger if you are reading this. You are both very valuable to the autograph collecting community.
You too Steve.
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I am quite satisfied that many of the examples deemed secretarial/fake, etc. earlier in this thread are indeed authentic. The theory that the examples signed with a "squiggle" were no good has been shown to not be true. When I, and others, showed examples to this effect, no response was given from those pushing that idea.
The only thing I find JLL guilty of is having an occasionally inconsistent signature over the last 60 years.
I don't remember if anyone posted the album/cd below. I don't think they would put a fake signature and squiggle on the cover of a commercial release. Buy it on Amazon.
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