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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 15, 2014 at 1:28am

Thank you for your very helpful and detailed reply.  I am a huge fan of Michael's and spend 7 days a week trying to learn more about the man and all his work :)   I  posted this blue Mickey here primarily on the basis of the location of the star (above the M), as this related to a previous piece with a similar star location, discussed in this thread.   I would be very grateful to be able to see other instances of MJs signature with the star placed elsewhere than at the end, as we usually see it. I am always very happy to learn about Michael and his writing and art. 

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Permalink Reply by Ema Dan on November 13, 2014 at 6:44pm

I'm confident this Mickey Mouse sig does not belong here and that this is a real MJ.
A few posts ago I encouraged everyone to look closely at the actual signatures and not lump all drawings into the "automatically Erick" category... this is a perfect example. Let's remember that Erick is a really good forger, but that real MJ's such as this still exist.

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Permalink Reply by Ema Dan on November 14, 2014 at 1:39pm

I'm taking this comment back PARTIALLY. I still do not think the blue-Sharpie Mickey Mouse was made by Erick. But based on the evidence on page 9, I now think it's done by the hand that made the traced pictures on page 9. I do not think those were done by Erick. Nor do I think they were done by MJ.
Sorry to be flip-flopping, folks.... u know, new evidence and all... So yeah, it's fake after all. Woo. lol.

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 21, 2014 at 6:14am

This is another authenticated Mickey, currently on sale here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-ARTWORK-...

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on December 7, 2014 at 10:50am

The top drawing  (head, 1th Nov post) was 'passed' at a starting price of 2k usd at Heritage auctions in Dec 12.

(Just for date info) 

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/14623480_michael-jackson-signed...

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 13, 2014 at 9:37pm

And just when I thought I saw it all.... lets just say I cursed a little when I saw this one.... really Erick?  I can't tell if that thing is smoking or has a crippled finger.   Wow...

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 19, 2014 at 1:54pm

More Ericks found online, this one from an old FB account of his.  It is in triplicate, I only grabbed the first two copies of it, as the third shows nothing

Heres one Lizzie also previously posted that got zapped in error from me.  I had posted on here my three links to my files on Ericks Deviant art, and then later decided it should be in the actual discussion at the top of the page, so that its easy to find on every page.  Unfort, when I deleted the post in the thread, it took some of Lizzie's pics--I think she had replied to me on it.  This came from Etsy Aug 2012  (I looked at the title of the pic, thanks for labeling them the way you do Lizzie-very helpful :)

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 14, 2014 at 4:30am

I have a bit of a problem with many of the new items that are popping up that are supposedly drawn by Michael.  I'm putting up just a few so that you might understand why.  I'm putting the original item for sale, under those are clip-art or pictures/coloring book outlines, and then I layer one over the other so you can see that they were indeed traced.  (click to enlarge if needed)

(from a coloring book - above)

getting a little tired here so my overlaps are getting a bit sloppy.

Michael was a fantastic artist and was already perfecting his skills as a child, I find it really hard to believe he would trace a photo or a coloring book and autograph it.  There were others online but I figured that would be enough to warn people to do their homework.  And these are traces, exact traces... not hand drawn.  They line up perfectly.

BTW I am not blaming anyone here if they are 2nd hand sellers of these things -  nor anyone if they gave these a thumbs up.  I just think that the forgers are getting really good at selling a story.

Here are some of his childhood art photos...

and then what a Mickey looked like in later years

And some really extensive artwork as well

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Permalink Reply by The Memorabilia Vault on November 14, 2014 at 9:21am

Hello, I just wanted to say that Michael Jackson did indeed reference alot of the art he created. We know this for a fact as we have pieces of art that MJ created which we have found the images MJ used for reference. By the time MJ was an adult he became a very skilled artist. This is evidenced in his art in his studio he had with Brett Livingston Strong. Looking at the examples of items mentioned as possibly being traced I can see very slight differences on the overlaps for the Pinocchio and Elizabeth Taylor. They do line up very closely and this is a good observation but from what I can see there are very slight differences. If you look for example at the overlap of the Elizabeth Taylor you can see the neck line is slightly different. On the Pinicchio you can see the feet and some of the bodylines don't quite line up. They are very close but MJ was very good. I attached an example of a piece MJ created of Martin Luther King Jr, this piece is from his art studio. You can see Oprah holding it in one of the photos. We have also found the actual photo MJ used for reference. Now if you look the Martin Luther King Jr. is a very large piece. You can see how detailed he could be by looking at the actual photo of Martin Luther King Jr. and comparing it to the piece Oprah is holding. As mentioned we have other pieces of his art in our collection. Some of the pieces in the collection that he referenced are really close to photos and images we have found that he used for reference and some are not as close. Knowing what we know about MJ art he would literally spend hours trying to perfect his skill. Yes, he did reference many of his drawings and art, this is true but he was still very skilled. I would also like to mention the Pinocchio and Elizabeth Taylor pieces have an extreme amount of provable well documented provenance as well as being certified by Roger Epperson and as you can see the Martin Luther King Jr. images we attached are direct from his art studio.

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Permalink Reply by The Memorabilia Vault on November 14, 2014 at 9:35am

Here is an example of a piece of art created by an actual artist, not Michael Jackson. The artist used an image of MJ as a reference. You can see the exact detail an artist could recreate from a refernce. As mentioned MJ was really good and could recreate art to very exact detail using a reference piece. Art was a passion to MJ. Think about how talented he was as a musician and performer then imagine how that type of talent could transfer into other things. On top of that it is well know MJ strived for perfection. If he wanted to be great at something he would put a lot of effort into it until his skills were the best they could be. That said the images we attached show that artists used other images as refernce and could recreate them with great detail.

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 14, 2014 at 10:25am

Sorry, but those are tracings.  I also draw and there is no way to get to the exactness that is in these--one can get pretty close but not THIS close.  You also need to account for the camera angle when the pictures were taken.  If you are not in the exact spot that would be seen in the artwork and to size exactly, it would account for a very slight outline discrepancies.  If you were slightly lower to the photo and not dead center--even just mm's, it can change what is seen when you overlay... it would make the bottom wider than the top.  And if you were up higher than dead center--again even mm's, it would make the top wider slightly.  Same with right and left of center.

These are all exact tracings.  Elizabeth's eyes are EXACT as was her hair adornments and ear markings, earrings, down to the details... I was blown away when I pulled the drawing over her photo.  Her eyes almost came to life because it almost looked 3 dimensional as I slid it into place.  It was actually pretty cool. 

I would double check with the person you got these from.

-w

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 14, 2014 at 10:39am

Just so that its mentioned here too, I know you try very hard to make sure you have good pieces--and I'm glad you have implemented rules to make that happen.  I've also backed you up on this forum several times... in fact just about every time I've seen you mentioned, because I know you do try to make sure every pieces is legit.  However, these are tracings imo, and I just can't sit back and not say anything. 

-w

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