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Beatles signed promo card

What do you guys think about this promo card.i have an opportunity to purchase it from a private seller.its graded mint 9 psa with a ciazzo loa and tracks loa.its a star pics promo card issued in 63 and it was signed on June 16th 63 I front of an odeon theatre according to the tracks and ciaizzo loa's ,it measures 6x8 inches.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on February 24, 2015 at 5:06pm

That unfortunate very unfortunate Mr Peterson. Did you get refunded for your item? Was Frank investigated because of this drawing for 7 years. I have been told he is the best in the business.

Permalink Reply by Dave Petersen on February 24, 2015 at 5:53pm

Hi Paul,

Initially, Ed Kosinski / Gotta Have It, Inc., refused my refund request beginning late 2009, but, then Ed Kosinski called me in October 2011, saying Gotta Have It, would refund the full amount, however, Ed further delayed until finally sending my refund on February 27, 2012.  
Significant evidence gathered during my investigation was provided to both State and Federal Law Enforcement in multiple locations, including the New York FBI Art Crime Team,  the Los Angeles Art Crime Team, the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York, Florida, Wisconsin, and Hawaii.  
 
The evidence was also provided to a number of Law Firms across the county who were representing other victim's of art crime.    
Permalink Reply by Paul on February 25, 2015 at 9:21pm

Once I was looking at a Hendrix signed album and it had a cert from celebrities gallery in Hawaii, so I googled them and low and behold some poor bloke had purchased fake lennon drawings up to 100.000 dollars.

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 19, 2015 at 3:50am

my first impression was how strange the McCartney looks

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 19, 2015 at 8:13pm

Yeah, Paul is a little off, but it still looks like him.

Permalink Reply by David K on February 21, 2015 at 9:58pm

I agree with you..all 4 signatures are incrediblly DARK ink no fading signed in 1963? How many of those do you see? No XXX by any of them as well...I agree with you about this one..I would pass. The G in George (both  G;s ) appear shaky... dont care about the COAs...go by comparing to actual known in persons...

Permalink Reply by Paul on February 18, 2015 at 11:21pm
Looks like the 65 Beatles album that was on discussion. Personally id like to look more at early Beatles signatures to have more of an idea.
Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on February 19, 2015 at 6:16am
Here is the psa number on it its u04118. Here is the signatures in psa's data base.i guess they use some special lighting to really show the signatures in a different light.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on February 19, 2015 at 8:43am

I started dealing with Frank Caiazzo and Paul Wane from TRACKS over 20 years ago...you really can't go wrong with either of them. 

Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on February 19, 2015 at 2:39pm
I spoke with the owner of the piece and he told me that the card was put in an album and kept in total darkness for almost 50 years.thats the most alluring part of this piece.the condition.that in of its self makes this piece a rare standout.im by no means a pro in beatles authenticating but I've seen some comparibles of that moment in time (June 63)and there are a lot of similarities.as we all know their sigs changed almost every month back in 63.the fact that it has ciaizzo ,tracks ,and psa makes me feel like I might have a nice opportunity to obtain a real gem.steiger I respect your opinion.you say it looks like it was signed slowly please explain.
Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on February 20, 2015 at 11:38am

from different lighting I can see some age to at least Lennon's signature. I'ts probably good but the McCartney is so strange it makes me wonder. You what could have happened. It was originally signed by just the three and some A-hole added the McCartney a while back before it hit the open market. How many pieces have we seen signed by 2 or 4 of them. Of on of those super crafty beatles forger bought a Lennon Harrison for 3-4 grand and added his Starr/Macca he's not only double or triple his money but having 2-3 real autographs on it would get it passed. But I am not an expert on vintage beatles and I am sure Tracks, Frank and PSA all had this in front of their faces and could see a lot more.

Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on February 20, 2015 at 12:37pm
I'm pretty confident that all the sigs were signed at the same time.i have a thread right from frank caiazzos beatlebay autograpgh examples # 8 .its a please please me album signed with an elongated "P" in Paul.He states that in mid June of 63 Paul was experimenting with an elongated P.here is a picture of it.im also including another example of a set signed on June 19th just 3 days later.look at that elongated "P" and it is very similar.also look at john lennon sig.itlooks a lot like the one in question.expecially the "John"
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