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Leaf COA - Need Advise

Looking to purchase an item with a Leaf COA. I called Leaf directly to get more clarity on what goes into their COA. I was told that they are the opposite of PSA and they will only give a COA if the signature is witnessed by a Leaf Rep.

With that said the item is being sold by Probstein123 which does not have a stellar reputation on this forum.

Any advise on if the Leaf COA trumps the actual seller?

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Permalink Reply by Robin McKay on December 8, 2015 at 2:38pm

Depends if Leaf actually do as they say they do - if so, then one must assume the item is real.

However, if there is any dispute with the seller, I would give it a miss as it would make me nervous about other items in their collection that could equally turn out to be forgeries.

What you find with sellers is they sell forgeries and genuine items at times, then there are just plain sellers of forgeries and just dealers who sell legitimate items, so its a minefield and its also knowing which sellers are good, too.

For me, should you have the slightest doubt, move on but nevertheless, always ask questions and if anything raises the red flag, that's the impetus you need to avoid.

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Permalink Reply by Terry G. on December 8, 2015 at 4:34pm

Sports related item?

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Permalink Reply by Pen On Paper Collections on December 8, 2015 at 4:38pm

Movie Actor

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on December 8, 2015 at 5:06pm

I believe Leaf certed items are genuine and witnessed. I have a number of them... all sports related and all genuine.

That said, I have not seen them associated with entertainment celebrities. It may very well be okay, but given the amount of counterfeit holograms we have seen lately, I would confirm with Leaf they issued holograms for the celebrity in question.

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Permalink Reply by Pen On Paper Collections on December 8, 2015 at 10:50pm

Thanks Steve.

It's worth mentioning that the item number on the hologram checks out in the leaf data base.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on December 9, 2015 at 5:00am

As a final check feel free to share a pic of the signed item, but if it is a legit leaf coa, I think you are good to go. Regards.

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Permalink Reply by Pen On Paper Collections on December 9, 2015 at 6:18am

Hey Steve

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on December 9, 2015 at 6:36am

Not a signature I would venture to offer an opinion. I believe Pacino did a private signing last year... I wonder if this was part of it and Leaf witnessed. Or maybe he has done other signings as well.

The COA does not indicate witnessed. Which begs the question, did they authenticate this as a third party, or witness it? I was under impression they were a first party certification, like TriStar or Steiner, but I could be mistaken. I would ask them.

In my opinion, a "signature" like this cannot be reliably authenticated by signature analysis alone. It really comes down to trusting the source.

Sorry to raise more questions than answers!