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Arnold Schwarzenegger: Difference between Authentic & Secretarial + Signature Study
For a long time, collectors have been warned about the potential for Arnold Schwarzenegger's TTM signatures being secretarial, especially due to the fact that there seemed to be no short supply of them in the 90s. These signatures are VERY close to the real ones, and they can be tough to spot without regular familiarity with Arnold's signature.
I'd like to create a thread outlining the differences between a secretarial and authentic signature. I will post examples of the secretarial signatures, and examples of signatures that I believe are authentic because they come from "official" sources. I will also outline the key differences between the signatures.
Please feel free to let me know if you agree with my opinions, and if there is any other important information that should be included.
There is also a "riddle of steel" to solve at the bottom, concerning official autograph cards. Please comment and help out!
SECRETARIAL SIGNATURES:
CHARACTERISTICS OF SECRETARIAL SIGNATURES:
OVERALL:
If you were to trace a line under these signatures, you'd end up with a very squiggly line. The letters, especially in the "nol" and "hwarzene" do not touch on the same invisible horizontal line under the signature.
These signatures usually have an upward slant to them, and are usually signed straight across the bottom of something.
The letters in these signatures "stand upright".
"ARN":
These letters tend to be very "loopy", with no definition of different letters. It is more of a continuous squiggly line.
"LD":
The "L" tends to be the same height as the "D".
"CH"
The "C" and the start of the "H" tend to bow away from each other.
"W":
This letter is usually very rounded and small, with the second dip of the w very much like the first dip.
"ZENE":
These letters are usually formed loosely, and they all aren't running in the same angle/direction.
AUTHENTIC SIGNATURES:
To ensure the accuracy of this study, I tried to include only "official" verified hand-signed signatures. The first is from a fine art print signed for Sideshow Collectibles in 2005. The next are various in-person signatures from Arnold's book tour in 2012. The final is from Arnold's exclusive signing with Easton Press for a special edition of his book.
CHARACTERISTICS OF AUTHENTIC SIGNATURES:
OVERALL:
If you were to trace a line under these signatures, you'd end up with a relatively straight line. In most instances, each letter touches down on the same invisible horizontal line below the signature. In some cases, his first name and last name don't follow that same line, but each word in his name name still can have a relatively straight line traced under it.
These signatures usually have a rightward slant to them, with about a 15 degree pitch to the signature, in comparison to the upright letters found in the secretarial signatures. Arnold tends to have an overall upward slant to his signatures. Unless he has to sign on a straight line (such as the lines provided on the official signed books), his signature tends to have an overall upwards drift. This can even be seen on the line provided on the Easton Press COA. His signed books without a signature line tend to have an upward drift to them as well.
"ARN":
While some of these letters can occasionally have a loopy characteristic to them, the letters are more defined as three individual letters.
"LD":
The "L" tends to range from being slightly shorter than the "D", to being much shorter than the "D".
"CH":
The "C" and the start of the "H" may slightly bow from each other, but not as dramatically as found in the secretarial signatures. On many occasions, the "C" and the start of the "H" are almost parallel to each other.
"W":
The "W" tends to be larger and more defined on an authentic signature. It is not as rounded, and oftentimes the first dip in the "W" is larger than the second dip.
"ZENE":
These letters are usually tightly defined, and they are usually running in very similar angle/direction.
Tags: Arnold, Authentic, Autograph, Differences, Schwarzenegger, Secretarial, Signature
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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May I ask your opinion on this one? I personally believe this is a secretarial autograph that Beckett incorrectly passed as genuine. What is your opinion? Thanks.
https://picclick.com/ARNOLD-SCHWARZENEGGER-Batman-MR-FREEZE-Signed-...
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I believe you are right and that Beckett got this one wrong. May I please ask your opinion? This looks like the classic secretarial signature to me and yet Beckett passed it.
https://picclick.com/ARNOLD-SCHWARZENEGGER-Batman-MR-FREEZE-Signed-...
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Yup. Looks like they sure did. I’m in the market to buy one of his. It’s very disappointing bc IMO the secretarial autograph is a nicer signature than his real one lol so I’m guessing you agree it’s a fake
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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Looks like a TTM secretarial from the 90s. Same gold paint pen and everything. I have one that looks exactly like it.
Beckett got really bad in a hurry.
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I don’t either but I thought the same. It’s really confusing bc on eBay they are including 2 pics of him from his recent signing at Alamo City Comic Con. But then again it could easily be a way to try to sell off a bad auto they got in the past. It’s always possible they paid to get a real one there and are now trying to sell this fake one. Can’t imagine why they’d so quickly wanna sell this off and only ask for $250 like they are asking when he charged $1250 for a VIP pass to get him at the con. He was VIP only. The seller claims he allowed 2 autos per person but still, only $250? Seems shady to me.
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I had no idea he was doing a comic con - maybe his sit down autograph does look like that. I'd wait for much more knowledgable collectors to chime in.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tam on
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It's real. The A is consistent with how he signs these days. The "Sc" linkage, the "gger" also consistent. Also contains the usual straight invisible line under the surname.
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