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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on December 21, 2013 at 7:21pm

Thanks. I was curious about the light maybe causing it. I don't have any that are white sheets so I'm not sure how they fade.

Is there a way to tell if a signature was obtained that way other then paper size? I'd like to learn how to determine that.

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Permalink Reply by Skyline Signatures on December 21, 2013 at 7:28pm

Yes, all photos are professional photos professionally produced in photo lab (ie No white sheets). Please let me know if you have any questions and I can answer directly. Thanks again!

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on December 22, 2013 at 6:43am

This is a great topic.  I was warned about white sheets over a year ago and I am still not quite sure how they will alter the hobby.  They seem to have replaced the index cards of the old days.

Michael T, thanks for bringing this topic to everyone's attention.  I seem to own a few white sheets in my collection.  None of them were purchased from Skyline Signatures.  They seem to be printed on either regular copy paper or photo paper that does not contain the same glossy sheen of a photo that was produced in a lab.  I am wondering if the ink is simply bleeding into the photos since the paper appears to be more porous.  I can't imagine that the ink of a Sharpie can be disintegrated by whatever chemicals are contained in a white sheet.  If that is true they should be stored in lead.

Rock G III, how long did your cousin own his collection before he noticed that it faded?  Please let us know so that we will at least have a reference point.  I, for one, would like to know when my few pieces are in the clear.

Finally, my Tim Burton sketch is on a blank sheet of photo paper.  It is not 8x10 in size and has no markings on the back of it.  From what Michael T has said, it may be Costco photo paper.  I imagine that Tim sketched it on a white sheet, but the paper is much different than the other few in my collection that I acquired elsewhere.  I know that this item was signed over a year ago because I had my eye on it for a very long time.  Incidentally, Eric gave me a great deal on it and he was willing to work with me regarding payments.  I love the fact that it was sketched with a blue Sharpie on a piece of photo paper rather than with a pencil on a piece of sketch paper.

Here are my questions regarding Rock G III's cousin's collection.  Were the autographs signed with a Sharpie?  Were the autographs signed on white sheets that were porous or were they signed on white sheets with a glossy finish?  Will the ink of a Sharpie bleed into or fade on top of a blank white sheet, or is it the process of printing an image over an autograph that causes it to disappear?  After all, autographs signed on index cards never had this problem.  And finally, as I have already asked above, how old was the collection that faded?  These answers will help us to get a better handle on this topic.

One last thing.  Skyline has assured us that they do not have any autographed white sheets currently listed on eBay.  Many of us have purchased from this seller, and none of us have anything in our collection from them that is anything less than an authentic autograph on a professional lab produced 8x10 photo.  I have always defended dealers on this website whenever I felt that other members were critical due to a personal agenda.  Many times I have been criticized for doing so, but I believe that even in this crazy hobby people deserve the benefit of the doubt.  I have also called out dealers that I believed to be dishonest, so I am far from a blind and naive collector.   Let's all work together to rid the hobby of white sheets once and for all.

Thanks again Michael T for bringing this topic to everyone's attention.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on December 22, 2013 at 7:40am

I will ask him over christmas and bump it when I get an answer in a few days. 

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on December 22, 2013 at 5:03pm

Thanks Rock G III.  Merry Christmas.

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Permalink Reply by Michael T on December 22, 2013 at 8:25am

Mike, if the Tim Burton sketch is in fact on a white sheet (read inkjet paper) what is likely going to happen is over time is the ink will start to expand/migrate and the drawing lines will swell and slowly lose shape. Its awful when it happens. If (more likely when) it does to yours, you are going to be both disappointed and angry that your money was wasted.

The question is did the dealer that sold it to you mention that fact to you before you purchased it?

Any collector that knows what he/she is doing would never have a celebrity draw on a white sheet. They would be properly prepared at all times with the appropriate supplies.

Again it is up to the dealer to make note of this on any item they sell before it is purchased. If they don't, how can they be trusted?  If they are willing to lie about this I wonder what else they will lie about...

As always, this is just my opinion.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on December 22, 2013 at 5:44pm

That appears to be exactly what he is describing William.  I do not believe that it has anything to do with a chemical reaction of the paper to the Sharpie.  I could be wrong of course.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on December 22, 2013 at 5:40pm

Thanks Michael T.  I have taken a closer look at the few other items in my collection that I suspect are signed on white sheets.  The paper is soft and almost leathery in texture.  The Tim Burton sketch, however, is on a sheet of blank glossy photo paper.  As I have stated previously, the paper is not 8x10 in size, but it does not appear to be made of the same material as the others.  It looks and feels like real quality photo paper.  

I have also been assured by Eric that he has used the blank glossy photo paper to collect sketches before and that he has never had a problem with it.  I believe that he felt that the blank glossy photo paper and a blue Sharpie were in fact the appropriate supplies.  Let's hope that he is right about the paper not presenting problems down the road.  It does not appear to be as porous as the few other items in my collection.  It appears to be of good quality.  As a matter of fact, it would not surprise me if the autographs on the other items faded over time the way that a black Sharpie fades on a white leather football.  That appears to be exactly what you are describing above.  I guess that only time will tell.  I will certainly keep a close eye on the Tim Burton sketch.

Thanks again.

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Permalink Reply by DVT on January 2, 2014 at 5:13am

Well the Evangeline Lilly (The Hobbit) Arrived this morning from Skyline and I can say that it is Lab Printed and NOT inkjet (Blank-sheet).  A Very nice piece.

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Permalink Reply by Skyline Signatures on January 2, 2014 at 11:45am

Glad to hear you received and liked the photo! All photos are professional. "MICHAEL T" identity has been verified and he is a rookie autograph collector in NYC. He does not know anything and he just does mainstream stuff in city. He's just another jealous collector in NYC. I deliver quality and authentic items and have got nothing but POSITIVE reviews. I look forward to developing our relationship. Happy Holidays!

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Permalink Reply by Michael T on January 2, 2014 at 12:19pm

MICHAEL T" identity has been verified and he is a rookie autograph collector in NYC

LOL! Not even close. If I was some inexperienced IP collector I would probably be using white sheets myself and certainly not writing about them.

Like I wrote before, this is not all about about you Eric (however you did admit the undisclosed use of white sheets and one of your customers mentioned he received one from you in this thread). Its about the use of White Sheets in general. Of which many IP collectors utilize on both coasts and do not disclose to their customers. Which is not cool.

BTW I never stated that you did not sell authentic items. Quite the contrary actually.

If a dealer is going to use them (which they should not) they need to be very clear about it when they sell an item. If customers knew what they were (the whitesheets) they would be less likely to purchase one and then they would slowly fade away.

And, sadly, it does seem, as someone else wrote, that the 'Whitesheet' has become the replacement for the index card of old. I can totally understand why.

Its actually kind of amusing/awful. There are so many forgeries for sale now on photos that the index card has become almost worthless. It used to be that you could mat it up with a nice photo and someone would want it for their collection.

And, as always, this is just my opinion.

Happy New Year to all!

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Permalink Reply by Skyline Signatures on January 2, 2014 at 12:42pm

Happy Holidays to all !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your opinions are illegitimate and false. You have accused me of selling an inaccurate product which is just not the case. All items are quality, authentic, and professional.

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