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Floyd Patterson Muhammad Ali autograph ( Did Patterson use Ghost Signed TTM )

I bought this Ali/Patterson signed photo a few years back . I got the ok from aligraphs , that the Ali was 100% authentic. I sold it . The person sent it to Psa for authentication , it came back as not passing . I myself sent it to Jsa, they didnt like it as well. I sent it to Psa again a few weeks ago . I got it back saying the autograph of Floyd Patterson is not authentic , the Ali was fine .

What I want to know is . Does anyone have this style signature in there collection . I was told the item was signed TTM (thru the mail ) . Ive seen quite a few authenticated TTM Patersons. This one seems diffrent. The P is off. My concern is FLoyd may have had someone else sign his mail sometimes.

Thanks Guys , for any help !!

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Here is a what I believe to be a authentic Patterson graph. Notice the diffrence.

Big difference. Didn't see this before I wrote my comment.

I can't help you on the Patterson, but the Ali looks great to me. Without checking exemplars, I'd say roughly later 90s or so.

I don't think a forger would add a fake Patterson to a genuine Ali, do you? It makes more sense to offer them single-signed.

I was thinking its circa 88-89 .

If I find out the Patterson is not authentic . I was gonna erase the Floyd from the photo and sell it as a single signed Ali. Its a glossy photo . So the dry erase marker or white eraser should take the autograph right off.

Yes, Exactly . I could see someone adding Ali . Not Floyd. I bought it never questioning the Ali. FLoyd is so common I just figured it was genuine.  

Isn't your "Patterson" missing a "t"?

I have Floyd's in person signature from 2004. It's on a shirt, so it's sloppy.  But there are clearly two "t's" and both are crossed.

Also...the "F" is much like the one above with the flourish on the bottom rounding off to the left.

With this item the type of photo paper and look of the photo . You can see its vintage. Maybe circa 80-90s . So that in mind. I figure the Patterson had to be signed at the same time as the Ali. I look up vintage Patterson signatures and I see some like mine. I was looking to see if anyone on here ever got him thru the mail in the 90's or 80's.

Look at this example

Same style F , Same style P . Also has the missing T .

This one seems to be signed in person , as there is a certain rush to the autograph .

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