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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 5:01pm

Hi,

Secretarial.

Eric

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 5:25pm

Hi again,

 The "J', "a", "k" and "kie", the "g", the separate "le", the matching "a's" in last and first name, the straight baselines in both. Odd that it is not in black felt tip! It appears all vintagey and may be, but that is a 70's form.

Eric

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on February 8, 2016 at 5:36pm

Hi Eric,

Is this a well known secretarial example?  I've seen some certed signatures with this same signature style, and I assumed it was authentic on that premise.  Definitely appreciate your insight, I hope to learn more about his signature.  

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 5:41pm

Hi Mike,

The signature you posted has many signs of the secretarial - I listed some of the big ones. Most certed examples are secretarials. The tide only starts to turn although this is not a new discovery. JSA and RR are weeding them out.

Best wishes,

                    Eric

Here is an authentic ballpoint example dated August 29, 1951 (click to see in entirety):

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on February 8, 2016 at 5:46pm

Thanks for the example!  In comparison to the one I posted, you can definitely see the drastic differences- especially the baseline you mention.  

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 5:50pm

Hi Mike,

This is very rough - some dates are off a year or two - but this might be useful. See the last secretarial on the right.

Eric

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on February 8, 2016 at 6:12pm

Thanks Eric for all these examples!  Very helpful

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 6:14pm

You are welcome. :)

Eric

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 7:27pm

Hi Mike,

See this "Gleason"

and compare with your signature posted. I knew I had seen that "l" somewhere.

Eric

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on February 8, 2016 at 8:02pm

Eric, 

This one you linked is also Secretarial?  I am going to add these to an exemplar file for future use. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 8, 2016 at 8:10pm

Hello Mike,

Yes, that is also definitely secretarial. I linked it because it is also not in black felt tip (unusual) and shares many specific characteristics with yours like the "l". I have a stunning set of 1950's secretarial PC's I will get around to offering. They are not these secretarials but the earlier and scarcer ones - I believe they are quite collectible on their own.

Eric

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 8, 2016 at 6:08pm

Mike,

the one you posted is definitely secretarial.  for years they were considered authentic and you will still see some examples certified by well known TPA's. What I look for to distinguish between the two is the formation of the "ck".  they are much more defined in authentic examples.

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